Meet the ‘Ex-Gay’ Man Behind the Texas GOP’s Reparative Therapy Plank

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Jeremy Schwab, author of the Texas GOP platform's reparative therapy plank
Jeremy Schwab

The man who authored a plank endorsing reparative therapy in the Texas GOP platform is Jeremy Schwab, the founder of an ex-gay ministry called Joel 2:25 International.

Schwab is also an actor who’s appeared in films including “My Father’s Daughter,” “True Romance” and “Zombie Campout,” according to IMDb. (His YouTube acting reel even includes a commercial for Mozilla Firefox that coincidentally features a homophobic shower scene.)

Schwab isn’t using his full name in media interviews about the reparative therapy plank — due to fear of retaliation, according to KRLD. But what about the safety of LGBTQ youth who are harmed by reparative therapy?

Schwab appears to maintain multiple Facebook pages, including one under Jeremy Joel, but on his personal page we find proof that he authored the resolution. On the day it passed, he posted this update thanking Texas Eagle Forum President Cathie Adams and others: Screen shot 2014-06-11 at 10.07.13 AM

In response to a comment seeking details, Schwab wrote this:

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Schwab tells the Fort Worth Star-Telegram’s Bud Kennedy that the GOP platform amendment he initially proposed to Adams is being distorted by the media. In a post on his “My Journey” blog on Tuesday, he explains further. “There are many of us who experience Same-Sex Attraction, but do NOT want to embrace the modern ‘Gay’ label and have moral beliefs that mean Gay Relationships are NOT an option for us at all,” Schwab writes. Schwab goes on to argue that reparative therapy isn’t harmful and can be effective—despite the conclusions of the American Psychological Association.

In another post that includes the packet he sent to GOP delegates proposing the platform amendment, Schwab discusses how he became an activist against bans on reparative therapy for minors like those that have passed California and New Jersey.

“Reparative Therapy and this type of ministry work played a significant role in saving my life and I have been blessed to help many others over the past four years,” Schwab writes. “Recently though, this ministry work has been under attack across the country and in some states Republican legislators and Governors have been silent or complicit in passing these laws.” According to an interview posted on YouTube, Schwab lived an active gay life for about six years. He had two long-term relationships and attended a gay church but remained religiously conflicted and dissatisfied.

In 2009, he sought treatment from California psychologist Joseph Nicolosi, a founder and former president of the National Association for Research & Therapy of Homosexuality (NARTH). Nicolisi referred Schwab to an ex-gay retreat called Journey Into Manhood, which he says reduced his same-sex attraction by 50 percent in one weekend.

In the 2012 YouTube interview, Schwab said his same-sex attraction had dropped to 10 percent and he looked forward to the possibility of marrying a woman. “I don’t believe that I was created gay,” Schwab said. “I believe it’s something that developed over time.” Watch the interview below.

  • Tigernan Quinn

    This wack job can advocate any old thing he wants to – the rest of us adults will continue working towards marriage equality and things that actually matter.

    • Monica Leal

      You are being JUST AS HATEFUL as the anti-gay bigots.

  • Rusty Reiter

    Jeremy hid his identity because he knew he was wrong in pushing a major anti-gay bill when he himself is gay. I communicated with his fake name and told him that I would find his true identity and “out” him as the secret writer of the quack therapy plank, so he decided to come forward before I could do it for him. Jeremy is claiming that by buying a ticket to a weekend program he reduced his same-sex attractions by 50%, making him a kind of “Homo Lite” purchaser. Here is the reality behind this weekend and it’s funny though ultimately pathetic.. http://www.alternet.org/story/146557/what_happened_when_i_went_undercover_at_a_christian_gay-to-straight_conversion_camp/

    • Rusty Reiter

      Jeremy’s video was from 2012 when he claimed he was dating a woman and was only 10% gay. The truth is that he is still 100% gay, but he just calls that “unwanted same-sex attractions” and he claims to be happy living a celibate life throughout his 30′s.

      • Monica Leal

        Who are YOU to claim to know anything about him and who are YOU to judge his choices??? You are being just as bigoted as the anti-gay people!

        • Rusty Reiter

          Nonsense. science shows us the truth about this issue. Jeremy was lying about his name and about going to reparative therapy. He needs to repent of his lying.

        • Rusty Reiter

          Aunt Monica, I spent $40,000 and decades of my life in various forms of reparative therapies and ex-gay ministries only to conclude nobody ever changed from homosexual to heterosexual. In 2011 and 2012 the long-time leaders of the largest ex-gay ministries admitted no Christians experienced a change in sexual orientation even after decades of trying. The major evangelical ex-gay ministries with decades of experience have all shut down since. And now your nephew is promoting the lie around the world including in nations where they abuse gays and lesbians. It is not hate to point this out.

          • Monica Leal

            Clearly, the ‘therapy’ doesn’t work for most gays. And clearly, it should never be forced on anyone. No dispute there! However, even if 1000 gays find the ‘therapy’ worthless, but Jeremy found it valuable, then it IS valid FOR HIM. I am NOT promoting the therapy. I am promoting the FREEDOM for each person to do whatever they wish.

          • Rusty Reiter

            It is valid for me to point out that Jeremy gave me a false name until today, and that he made a false claim that he was going to reparative therapy when he never really did. It is valid for me to point out that most of Jeremy’s “healing” came in one weekend run by non-medical, non-therapy, non-professionals and that his testimony is contradicted by every objective report on the JIM weekends, which have been embroiled in controversies. It is valid for me to point out that his claim that homosexuality needs to be “healed” is a false claim. No medical association lists homosexuality as an illness or mental disorder, but Jeremy and his ministry friends do so often on their ministry’s website and Facebook page. And it was valid to point out that most reparative therapy clients are teens, many of whom are forced into the fake therapy by their parents who were told by ministry leaders like Jeremy that people don’t have to be “trapped in homosexuality” the big, bold promise on his ministry’s Facebook page. And again, NOBODY is working to pass a law to forbid adults from buying this snake oil non-therapy. That is another misleading assumption. There was NO NEED for your nephew’s plank except to promote prejudice. It helped nobody in any concrete way. It did make the prejudiced people in the Texas GOP feel better about their anti-gay beliefs.

          • Monica Leal

            How do you know he never went to the therapy, when you didn’t even know his last name?

          • Kyle

            So if a single smoker finds that smoking has helped them with their anxiety and they suffer no ill effects but 1000 other smokers have died from cancer should we thus encourage child smoking?

          • Monica Leal

            I did look up the fb ministry page and found a link which led to this: http://townhall.com/columnists/michaelbrown/2012/06/01/another_outrage_in_california

          • Monica Leal

            Please read it in its entirety before commenting.

          • Kyle

            Micheal Brown (the author of that article) is a notorious anti-gay bigot, the things he says about gay people and their families are absolutely reprehensible and he is lying about those laws which exist to protect children for reason like this;

            http://youtu.be/kbrXOAx1Pio

          • Monica Leal

            So tragic! I just posted that video on facebook.

          • Monica Leal

            Good points.

          • Monica Leal

            It is fair and reasonable to share your own perspective, which differs from Jeremy’s. But it’s not fair or reasonable to make accusations or assumptions about Jeremy’s personal experience.

          • Rusty Reiter

            My statements were correct. Sorry, Aunt Monica. Also, I have known hundreds of men who made the same kinds of claims Jeremy is making in my decades with the ex-gay ministries. It was not just my opinion they had fooled themselves. The long-time leaders of the largest ex-gay ministries in the world admitted nobody changed from homosexual to heterosexual, even when they had spent decades promoting “change is possible.” Since last year the ex-gay ministries have been slamming shut faster than a screen door in a Texas twister.

          • Monica Leal

            I respect your decades of experience and don’t dispute any of that. My only issue is that you are making claims that Jeremy is lying, he never went to the therapy, etc. and I would like to know how you can know that for sure, if you don’t even know him personally. Also, he claims to have gotten tremendous emotional healing from his experience. How do you know that’s not true? He didn’t claim to be ‘cured’ so why dispute his claim to emotional healing?

          • Rusty Reiter

            Sorry, but I think the ex-gays left now, who have access to so much information we did not have just a few decades ago, are inexcusable. there is no reason today to go around preaching that gays are going to burn in hell, but that’s what your nephew believes. I still would not have gotten involved, but when I realized he was lying to me about his name I began to dig in. And I do not like his website/Facebook page. And you can do online searches of your nephew Jeremy. Check out his IMDB page at least. I understand you think I went too far with my claims, and I will sleep on that. Good-bye for now.

          • Monica Leal

            I definitely disagree with him about gays ‘burning in hell.’

          • Monica Leal

            I don’t even believe in the biblical ‘hell’ but one thing I do believe is that anyone who judges others or reacts in hatred or bigotry will be in for a rude awakening when they find out that the ‘ticket’ to ‘heaven’ is NOT about belief but about LOVE and they’ve fallen prey to the biggest deception of all.

          • Secure

            Once you enter the political area, the doors are opened. That’s just how it is in America. Like the congressman from Louisiana (Vance McAllister) who proclaimed his strong family values and church attendance, and just recently got busted with his mistress. Americans have a very low tolerance for hypocrisy. Some kids in Texas may be forced by their parents to go through “reparative therapy,” and not by their own choice. That is wrong, and against what Jeremy is promoting with this new platform plank. Jeremy doesn’t like having same-sex attractions. That’s his issue. He shouldn’t be promoting this plank that could potentially mess up some kids for life, or worse.

  • Keith Rip

    You are an amazing person Jeremy! Thank you for standing up for authentic love and truth. May God always lead your heart!

    • Rusty Reiter

      Jeremy Schwab lied about his name until today, but more importantly, he lied about going to reparative therapy. Watch that video he provided here carefully, and you will notice Jeremy never set foot inside any reparative therapist’s office. All he did was phone a reparative therapist in California and got a referral to an emotion-laden, experiential weekend using hug therapy and other such nonsense.

      • Monica Leal

        Maybe if bigots didn’t judge gays so much, they’d feel more comfortable using their real names.

        • Rusty Reiter

          I am gay and I don’t know why the computer changed my name to guest a few times. No games from me. And I certainly don’t hate gays. You should check out your nephew’s website and Facebook ministry page, though. There’s a lotta’ loathing going on there.

          • Monica Leal

            Yes! But responding with more hate is fighting fire with fire.

          • Rusty Reiter

            Sometimes fighting fire with fire works. But maybe this is not the time. I’ll think about that.

      • Monica Leal

        And I pity anyone who thinks hug therapy and healing of emotions is ‘nonsense.’ Sounds like YOU need a HUG! HUGS TO YOU!!! ;)

        • Rusty Reiter

          Monica, Jeremy’s topless bar ads just came up and they are causing a stir among women and gay groups http://joemygod.blogspot.com/2014/06/heres-2006-ad-for-dallas-titty-bar.html#disqus_thread

          • Monica Leal

            If it was a current ad, I could understand. But the ad is 8 years old.

          • Rusty Reiter

            Monica, you are going to make me admit you are a pretty cool lady. And Jeremy is lucky to have you for an aunt. I hope this whole thing brings you and he a bit closer.

          • Monica Leal

            :)

          • Monica Leal

            Peace and Blessings to you Jerry!

          • Monica Leal

            I think strip clubs are evil, just for the record. But I wouldn’t judge Jeremy for something he did 8 years ago.

          • http://www.MySSAJourney.Blogspot.com Jeremy

            Thanks Aunt Monica, I DO regret doing that ad. Back then, I wasn’t thinking about what that industry really does. I would never do that today.

          • lit per

            You do reget doing that ad but you don’t regret forcing gay kids into “ex-gay” torture?

      • http://www.MySSAJourney.Blogspot.com Jeremy

        First of all, I was open about my name to everyone, but I asked as a personal favor for my last name to be kept OUT of the two news reports – because this isn’t about ME in the first place. The name “Jeremy Joel” came from the public Facebook page for “Joel 2:25″ Also, I DID go to Reparative Therapy with Dr. Joseph Nicolosi Jr. for two years. During that time (as I mentioned in the video) he told me about Journey into Manhood. Again, this is about emotional healing for those who CHOOSE it. There are many teens who do choose this of their own accord. Emotional healing is helpful regardless of what life choices someone makes in the future.

        Jeremy Schwab

        • Rusty Reiter

          Jeremy, did you ever step foot in Dr. Nicolosi’s California office as your friend Keith claims? You never did, so just admit it.

        • Kyle

          Jeremy, you said you lived a gay lifestyle for 12 years, while other places you have said it was for 6 year and other places still you said you were only gay for 2 years, so which is it? You also said you had 6 or 7 serious long term relationships, was it 6 or 7, one would think that if they were serious and long term that you would remember how many of them there were… Face it, your a liar my friend, I can imagine that it must be second nature to you at this point…

          • Secure

            6 or 7 is pretty ridiculous for long-term. One is long-term! Two at most! 6 or 7 over the course of how many years? There are gay people in relationships that last 20, 30, 40, or 50 years or more.

        • Rusty Reiter

          So, you admit you did not just ask to have your name hidden, you also used a fake name while inflicting your political agenda onto teens who won’t have that luxury when the time comes they are forced into your fake therapy and told they are going to burn in hell and have lives of misery.

          • 1bimbo

            good gosh, those who h8 ex-homosexuals go to some great lengths to smear, lie and distort… i’d describe it as sociopathic really, then again it goes along with the whole sexual disorder thing

        • lit per
      • Keith Rip

        False. He states clearly he was seeing Dr. Nicolosi who is a leading reparitive therapist. The video focuses on Journey into Manhood not his life story and tell-all concerning his therapy. Yes he got a referral but there is no evidence that he did not have other therapy. Additionally, Jermey Joel was connected to his Joel group. Everyone in the group knows his real name and he has had his actual Facebook page for some time. He isn’t a liar.

        • Rusty Reiter

          Keith Rip – what is your real name? Mine is Jerry Francis Reiter and I have had the nickname Rusty since I was a kid. But you just appeared today, like Jeremy Schwab, who was Jeremy Joel until yesterday. Who are you really?

          • Keith Rip

            Just a college student in love with the Catholic Church. :) I am using my real name but I can’t see why that is important.

          • Rusty Reiter

            Keith, the Catholic church teaches that anyone who masturbates is “intrinsically disordered.” Guess you had better get to work repenting of your own handiwork.

          • Keith Rip

            Don’t know what handiwork you are talking about, but I agree with the Church. If you are interested in their theological reasoning you can probably find some answers on the Catholic Answers site if you look around some. Although it seems you are quoting the catechism(?) so maybe you understand already but don’t agree. If you struggle with that, I can pray for you :)

          • Rusty Reiter

            A recent poll showed that 98% of Catholic boys admitted to masturbating. The other 2% lied. Virtually all males and most females masturbate. It’s common among babies, too. It has positive health benefits and the only reason the Catholic church fought masturbation for so long was that until the last century the common belief was that the man’s sperm held a new potential life inside all by itself. There was no awareness of the female egg. Most pre-scientific thinkers falsely assumed the woman was just a holding place for the man’s creation of a new life.

          • Keith Rip

            You have a right to your opinion, assumptions, and beliefs. The opinion of the Catholic Church does not conform to yours and if you want to know why, you can research their arguments. I don’t know what else you want from me on this particular topic.

          • Rusty Reiter

            Can you come clean?

          • Monica Leal

            You can disagree all you want with a doctrine – I happen to disagree with the church on the point too – but when you start attacking people and making accusations, that’s NOT cool. As someone who can see both sides of this debate and has made it clear that your experiences were valid, I am dismayed that you seem to be dealing with your own pain by lashing out at others. How is that any different from what the gay-bashers do?

          • Rusty Reiter

            I thought a good old masturbation joke would lighten up the mood, but when one writes attempts at humor, the reader can’t see the twinkle in my eyes or hear the tone in my voice.

          • Rusty Reiter

            Keith, a scan of persons named Keith Rip in the United States shows nobody with that name or even with just that last name. Some have Ripp, but nobody has R I P except on their tombstones.

          • Keith Rip

            I see no reason to help you track me down. lol

          • Rusty Reiter

            So you lied about your name, too. Okay, got it. I live my life openly as a happy, healthy person who happens to be gay. I speak what I believe and I believe only those who know they are wrong hide behind fake names and fake claims.

          • Keith Rip

            If I told you any name, you have no way to verify it regardless.

          • Rusty Reiter

            Oh, you’d be surprised what I can do with or without a name. I told Jeremy yesterday I was going to find out his real name and I would have had it today, as I told his reporter friend. So, he decided to come out as ex-gay and even his aunt was shocked that he was gay and ex-gay and changing names and starting political actions against gays. And she is in for the biggest shock when she sees his fanatical website and “ministry” Facebook page.

          • Monica Leal

            NO, I never said I was ‘shocked’ that he was gay! Nor did I say I was ‘shocked’ at anything else; in fact I never even used the word ‘shocked’ AT ALL. Please don’t twist my words! Twisting someone’s words is inexcusable!! I said I was ‘stunned’ – there’s a difference! I also said I was ‘very proud’ of him and that I would be equally proud of him if he had announced his gay lifestyle and worked to help gays in some other way. What I am ‘proud’ of is that he opened his heart and shared how he had experienced emotional healing, that he wasn’t presuming to know what would help others but wanted to make this available for those who chose it. THOSE are the things that impressed me. Whether he lives as a gay or seeks to live as a hetero makes zero difference to me. I care only about HEALING – NOT whether someone is gay or not.

          • Kyle

            What happens when he has his inevitable fall from grace? When he gets caught on some gay dating site or in some gay bar looking for some base level of human intimacy? What happens to all the other gays, all those gay teens who are also, for whatever reason, unable to accept themselves as they are and who he gave false hope to? Do you have any idea what that despair must feel like Monica? That despair is the very reason the original founders of Exodus International, the largest so-called “ex-gay” organization, left their creation behind 30 years ago and apologized all those years ago.

          • Monica Leal

            Those are very valid concerns, Kyle, and I’m sure Jeremy is well aware that the road ahead may entail those risks. But I stand by my assertion that judging someone for attempting to change his orientation is just as bigoted as ostracizing them for their orientation or pressuring/forcing them to change it.

          • Kyle

            I am not judging him for attempting to change his orientation, in fact I feel profoundly sorry that he was ever made to feel that there was a need for him to do that in the first place.

          • Kyle

            I judge the people who encouraged him to change, who made him feel as if he was broken and need fixing, who said that he couldn’t be right with God unless he did and I judge him now for doing the same thing to others.

          • Monica Leal

            Do you know for sure that that is what he’s doing? I saw none of that in the short video.

          • Kyle

            He runs a “ministry” dedicated to “curing” homosexuals. Your nephew has become the very thing that made him feel as if he was so broken that he needed to change and be fixed, he has now decided to be a part of that problem, to encourage it and continue the vicious cycle.

          • Rusty Reiter

            point taken, Monica. I stand corrected.

          • lit per

            Are you in love with Catholic priests who rape liitle boys?

        • lit per
  • Monica Leal

    This is my nephew and until now I had NO clue about any of this. (Granted, our family isn’t close.) I am STUNNED and VERY PROUD of him! For the record, I support gay rights and have nothing but disgust for self-righteous religious people who say that gays ‘cannot go to heaven’ etc. I also find it reprehensible when parents reject their gay children, or shame them. Suicide among gays is very high and it’s largely the fault of the parents and religious bigotry. Religious bigots judge gays while continuing to support war and other evils – it is pure hypocrisy. I also cringe whenever I hear religious people saying ‘it’s a lifestyle choice’ as I know someone who demonstrated all the traits of being gay at age 9. No one in their right mind would consciously ‘choose’ a lifestyle that subjects them to so much ridicule, alienation and suffering. I could go on and on about that but you get the idea and hopefully I have made it clear where I’m coming from. To reiterate: I SUPPORT GAY RIGHTS and I AM AGAINST RELIGIOUS BIGOTRY. Now, having said all that, I ALSO support the right of gays to deal with their situation in whatever way they feel is right for them. Science still hasn’t figured out why some people are gay. While Jeremy feels that he wasn’t born gay, many people obviously ARE born gay. I have my own theory about that and it involves reincarnation, something that most Christians won’t even consider, but which offers the only logical explanation I’ve ever heard of. But the point is that there isn’t a one-size-fits-all approach. Those who wish to pursue the type of response that Jeremy has, should have that freedom. To say that gays MUST live a gay life is just as narrow and restrictive as saying that they can’t. I will repeat that: TO SAY THAT GAYS MUST LIVE A GAY LIFE AND CANNOT SEEK ANY KIND OF THERAPY, IS JUST AS NARROW, RESTRICTIVE, AND BIGOTED AS JUDGING THEM FOR BEING GAY. Iow, those who wish to have gay relationships should have the freedom to do that. It’s no one else’s business and it is their freedom. As they say “if you are against homosexuality then don’t be gay.” BUT conversely, if a gay person WANTS to change, who are WE to say they can’t? I disagree emphatically with the adage ‘born gay always gay’; that might be true in many cases but we cannot assume that it’s always true. The point is that gays should have EQUAL rights and that includes the freedom to do WHATEVER they want to in their personal lives (again, obviously, as long as it doesn’t harm anyone else…do I really need to specify that?).Remember when women first got the freedom to have careers instead of just staying home with children? It got taken too far to the point that any woman who CHOSE to be a stay-at-home mom was criticized. TRUE freedom for women means they can choose whether to have a career or stay home with their children. Likewise, TRUE freedom for gays mean that they can CHOOSE whether to have gay relationships or pursue some sort of therapy like what Jeremy has done. Here’s the caveat though: AS LONG AS they are NOT pressured to ‘fix’ being gay…as long as they are NOT JUDGED for being gay…as long as they are NOT SHAMED for being gay…as long as they aren’t told that they are abominations before God…and, most importantly, AS LONG AS THEIR PARENTS STILL LOVE AND ACCEPT THEM. I sincerely hope that your parents did, Jeremy. I hope that you were never shamed or pressured into doing this, and that this truly was YOUR CHOICE. If so, then I totally respect it and I’m truly happy for you! What I’m against is gays being told that they MUST ‘repent’ and ‘be cured’ when, in most cases, it doesn’t work and what happens is that they feel even more shamed and alienated. For every case like Jeremy’s, there are dozens more of gays who attended some sort of Christian ‘therapy’ to ‘pray out the gay’, thought they were ‘cured’ when in fact all they did was suppress it, and it ended badly for them after years of being miserable in a hetero marriage. There are so many more who committed suicide because of pressure from their family or church. I’m very heartened to hear that you got value out of the retreat because it helped you open up and get in touch with your feelings. I really like how you said it helped you release those old suppressed feelings, instead of just suppressing them more. That is a good thing. I am truly happy for you, that you have found something that has enriched your life! The main caution I have is that many Christians pressure their gay kids to ‘get cured’ and THAT is what’s wrong. If you feel that this therapy has value for gays, then by all means speak up and share your story! But just OFFER it and leave it up to the person, and if they decline it, respect that! It is THEIR life so no one has the right to pressure them.The solution is always LOVE, acceptance and forgiveness. As long as there is a foundation of love and compassion, let the person decide for themselves how to live their lives. HUGS and BLESSING to you Jeremy! I truly am happy for you and proud of you!

    • Monica Leal

      NOTE: My comments are about Jeremy’s healing process, NOT about the plank. I don’t know enough about the politics to have an opinion on that. So to be clear: While I am proud of Jeremy, I don’t necessarily support the legislation. I am concerned about what Rusty said (the part about minors being pressured), but I just don’t know enough about it to have an opinion. Just wanted to make that distinction!

    • lit per

      you support gay rights and yet you support a self-hating gay men who spreads lies and tries to shame other gay men and forces anti-gay language in the politics. This is not a support we need. Go to your Uganda where you can enjoy your Christian “love” and “Kill the gays” love, brought by American “family” groups.

      • Monica Leal

        You are lumping me in with religious people forcing their anti-gay agenda. Apparently you haven’t even read my posts, but have jumped to conclusions. I am just as against the bigotry as you are.

  • Rusty Reiter

    Jeremy Schwab is a liar. And I can prove it. He lied about his name until today, calling himself Jeremy Joel. But, more importantly, he lied about going to reparative therapy. If you watch the above video carefully, you will learn that Jeremy never set foot inside any reparative therapist’s office. All he did was phone a therapist in California and got a referral to wacky weekend of emotional hug therapies that made him cry. It included a couple days of peer counseling, no professional counseling by any therapist. The controversial program is run by so-called life coaches who manipulate emotions through mind-control techniques like sleep deprivation and physical group embraces (group hugs). Here is a straight man’s experience of the weekend http://www.alternet.org/story/146557/what_happened_when_i_went_undercover_at_a_christian_gay-to-straight_conversion_camp/

  • Monica Leal

    So what exactly does the plank do? Since when was there ever a ban on such therapies and why does there need to be legislation?

    • Rusty Reiter

      There never was a ban on all people receiving this fake therapy. Eagle Forum leader Cathie Adams lied when she pushed this plank of Jeremy’s, claiming that California and New Jersey passed bans outlawing all such therapies when the fact was they just banned it for minors because most of the clients were teens being forced into fake therapy against their will. Adults have always been able to go quacks and snake oil salesmen and reparative therapists. And Texas was never going to outlaw such anti-gay quackery. But this plank is part of the American evangelical movement to export anti-gay junk science in nations where gays are arrested, imprisoned and subjected to vigilante violence including ‘corrective rape’ of lesbians and the unpunished murders of gay men.

      • Monica Leal

        Can anyone respond to Rusty’s allegations? (I know nothing about the politics of it but if what he says is true, then that is VERY disturbing!)

        • Rusty Reiter
          • Monica Leal

            It’s just tragic how so many teens are pressured and shamed, and abandoned by their parents for being who they are. And I’m sorry to hear that you wasted so much time, $$ and hope on those therapies that only caused you anguish, Rusty! But in all fairness to Jeremy, he didn’t say anything about forcing it on teens…at least not in that video. He also said that he was simply sharing what helped him and wanted to make it available for others who might choose it.

          • Rusty Reiter

            Monica, thanks. And I agree Jeremy did not personally call for teens to be forced into these camps. But I was shocked because I had been communicating with Jeremy Joel and today I see he has a new last name. And take a look at his Facebook “ministry” page that claims people are “trapped in homosexuality”. It’s called Joel 2:25, a bible verse about locusts (calling gays locusts?)

          • Monica Leal

            Well that’s getting into biblical stuff…you’ll likely get no disagreement from me on that. But having biblical beliefs and trying to impose them on others are 2 different things. Unfortunately, many do try to impose. The question is whether that’s what he’s doing.

          • Monica Leal

            This young man’s story is just as valid as Jeremy’s. So is yours. It isn’t necessarily this or any other ‘therapy’ that is wrong – clearly it might be valuable for some but not for others…maybe not for most…but the point is that it isn’t the therapy itself that is wrong, but the shaming and pressuring that is wrong.

          • Rusty Reiter

            Monica, I respect your opinions and will take your points into consideration. Nice chatting with you today. I have to get back into the studio. Bye!

          • Monica Leal

            Thank you Jerry! I was just thinking that I’ve spent quite enough time in this discussion, so I probably won’t be participating any more either. Bye!

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  • davidpickuplmft

    Such hatred and bigotry for a man who is simply trying to be his authentic self and to help others in doing it through platforms that speak up for people who are belittled and called liars and repressive idiots. And this negativity comes from people who fight against bigotry and hatred.

    • Monica Leal

      Exactly! Such hypocrisy!

    • Rusty Reiter

      David, you are one of the snake oil salesmen pushing this product of the new and improved “Homo Lite” even though you have never married a woman and you’re old enough to be a grandpa. Stop selling the fake crap.

      • davidpickuplmft

        See my comment below about hatred and bigotry.

        David H. Pickup
        Licensed Marriage & Family Therapist

        • Rusty Reiter

          LOL, – If you need help with those gay lusts of yours, all you need is D. Pickup.

          • Kyle

            Be careful Rusty, David, like many professional so called ex-gays gets very angry at people who don’t play along with his delusional pinocchio-esque “reparative” therapy quest to make hom0s into real boys…

          • Rusty Reiter

            David and I have faced off in TV and print interviews in the past. He really is fooling himself that he is not gay when even he does not claim to be straight. De’Nile isn’t just a river in Egypt.

          • 1bimbo

            how do you know.. he probably doesn’t want to be ‘gay’ as much as you want to be ‘gay’

    • Kyle

      How’s that gay p0rn addiction David?

    • lit per

      http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2011/10/11/340335/former-ex-gay-ministry-leader-comes-out-recants-previous-teachings/

      that’s all lie and just promotion of hatred and stone age views in 21st century

  • Rusty Reiter

    The professional medical associations do not support reparative therapy. In fact there really is no such thing. There is no organization which regulates this, nor any peer-reviewed studies which show any benefits to so-called reparative therapy. The truth is reparative therapy is neither reparative nor therapy. There is nothing to repair. Some people have a homosexual sexual orientation. It is not a choice and cannot be changed at will. Reparative therapy falls into the category of unscientific, non-medical junk science, a kind of modern day snake oil. The word “therapy” means to cure or heal an illness. Every medical association agrees: homosexuality is not an illness, not a mental disorder. It’s time to stop politicizing prejudice. Time to outlaw reparative therapy for minors since most of the victims, I mean clients of reparative therapy are teens who are forced to undergo the hateful lies of the reparative therapist who is selling prejudice as medical help.

    • Monica Leal

      It really depends on how it’s done. What Jeremy described – learning to accept his feelings, having a therapeutic release, etc. – is the same as what happens in many various alternative healing therapies, and have nothing to do with being gay. Healing the emotions is always a good thing. What is BAD is when they pressure gays to do this out of fear of ‘hell’ – THAT is what makes it wrong.

      • Keith Rip

        You are correct Monica. From what I know reparitve therapists have safety nets in place for minors so that they are not forced to do anything against their will even when the parents have given consent and pressure them. I know some reparitive therapists that will refuse minors if there is any doubt that the minor does not want to do therapy even with parental pressure. Much of the therapy uses the same processes used to treat depression, self image, and trauma. A large focus is developing a sense of masculinity and self worth based on the needs of the client.

        • Rusty Reiter

          Keith, what is “a sense of masculinity”? I, like many other gays, are ‘masculine’ in the usual sense of loving sports and excelling at them, getting along well with other men, being closer to our fathers than our mothers growing up. But that has nothing to do with sexual orientation. You are conflating gender identity issues with sexual orientation.

          • Keith Rip

            You are correct – all of those actions do not directly determine sexual orientation but they have the potential to help a person indentify as masculine. Developing a sense of masculinity is for each individual to define. Gender identity and sexual orientation are closely related.

          • Rusty Reiter

            Science shows that gender, like race, does not really exist in objective terms. Both are social constructs that vary in different places and times.

          • Monica Leal

            Science is still trying to figure it out. They don’t have all the answers.

          • Rusty Reiter

            When I was authentic, the ex-gays did not like it. If you want to see an example of hate, watch what I went through on this one minute clip from OWN TV (and as I mentioned earlier, Rusty is my nickname, Jerry is my name)…https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dC5aOQuNqo

          • Monica Leal

            That’s you?

          • Rusty Reiter

            Yes, and that was taped in my living room by Lisa Ling’s crew for the Our America with Lisa Ling program. My boyfriend and I walked the hilly path to the cross located above my house.

          • Monica Leal

            WHAT???? how could anyone bar you from attending your own son’s funeral??

          • Rusty Reiter

            The pastor of the lovely evangelical church has armed security guards and warned me not to try to trespass into “HIS” church. Normally, I would have fought such garbage, but I was too wiped out by the sudden and unexpected death of my son.

          • Monica Leal

            That’s horrible! Why did you have the funeral at a bigot’s church?

          • Rusty Reiter

            My ex-wife did that nice little thing while I was still traveling across the country. I decided to forgive her and the church. I introduced my ex-wife to the man she is now married to, and we are all friends.

          • Monica Leal

            OMG! But wow, that’s awesome that you forgave her and the church, and that you’re now friends. I can tell you still have a lot of pain though, and it’s understandable.

          • Monica Leal

            It blows my mind that these people think bigotry is ever ok…and claim to be followers of Jesus. They have missed the entire point.

          • Monica Leal

            Apparently the only ‘unforgiveable sins’ are being gay and picking the ‘wrong’ religion.

          • Monica Leal

            If that is you, Rusty (Jerry) then I am so very sorry for your loss! The LAST thing you needed was to be told you were somehow to blame for your son’s death!! That is just hideous! Apparently a lot of Christians missed the part about ‘not judging.’ And oftentimes, it’s gays in the closet who are doing the most vocal judging, in a vain attempt to make themselves feel better.

      • lit per
    • Monica Leal

      The lack of peer-reviewed studies means nothing. The medical system doesn’t acknowledge alternative cancer therapies despite millions of people being healed using alternatives, even after the medical system left them for dead. We cannot depend on the medical system; it is run by the pharmaceutical industry who profits by keeping people sick. They don’t do studies unless they profit from it.

      • Rusty Reiter

        There will always be controversy over alternative healing approaches, which is why NOBODY has ever passed a law against reparative therapy for adults. A couple states passed laws against minors being forced to go by their parents. Dr. Nicolosi, who your nephew spoke to on the phone, has admitted over half his clients are minors. I myself am not calling for a law to ban reparative therapy, but I am saddened that this is being exported to nations where it will cause grave harm to LGBT youth.

        • Keith Rip

          He went to Dr. Nicolosi for two years as Jeremey stated in one of his replies to your comments. I don’t see how therapy can hurt people when it is all about processing emotions and developing a greater sense of self.

          • Rusty Reiter

            Keith, he never moved to California, which is where Dr. Nicolosi’s office is located. Jeremy’s video above says he phoned Dr. Nicolosi in the summer of 2009 and was given a referral to the wacky weekend of JIM. Processing emotions and developing the sense of self are good things for anyone, but they don’t change a person’s sexual orientation. Biology assigns that in utero. http://www.washingtonpost.com/posteverything/wp/2014/06/04/the-science-of-sexuality-how-our-genes-make-us-gay-or-straight/

          • Monica Leal

            How do you know so much about Jeremy when you didn’t even know his last name until today?

          • Rusty Reiter

            We’ve been in contact and I have done my homo-work. lol But, seriously, I am not against Jeremy, I am against secretive people passing legislation that harms people, so when I realized he had been giving me a fake name I got a bit peeved.

          • Monica Leal

            Understandable. At the same time, surely you can understand his reasons? I’m sure it took a lot of courage for him to come out in the first place. I’m family and I didn’t even know. I think a little compassion is in order here – in both directions.

          • Monica Leal

            You still haven’t answered my question, though. You cannot know for sure whether he attended this or that therapy, so you shouldn’t be accusing him of lying when you can’t know for sure. It sounds like you are making an assumption that he’s lying.

          • Rusty Reiter

            Monica, go ask him directly. That’s what I did.

          • Kristine Fry

            He made trips to Cali! I know cause I live in Cali and wanted him to come up north to see me when he said he was headed to So Cal!

        • Monica Leal

          OMG that’s HORRIBLE!!! I am just as much against such atrocities as you are, Rusty! Do you think Jeremy’s legislation is promoting this sort of thing? (Again, I know nothing about the plank.) IF SO, then I can understand why you’re against it – I am too. HOWEVER, that is still no reason to attack Jeremy personally – you should instead address/debate ideas, concepts and actions rather than his personal life. IF otoh, his plank is NOT in the same league as kidnaping teens and is NOT in any way promoting such disgustingly wrong tactics, then your lashing out at him is misplaced.

          • Kyle

            If Jeremy want’s to play pretend with his life that is his decision, if his pinocchio-esque fantasies require him to go into quack therapy in order to become a real boy he should feel free to do so. Where those decision becomes everyone’s business however is when he wants to enshrine his delusions as public policy.

            Right now out there today in this country there children who will be kicked out of their homes because their parents think that they have chosen to be gay because of people like your nephew and their make believe stories of change.

          • Monica Leal

            It really depends on what that public policy is. If it imposes anything on others, then it’s wrong. If it allows freedom to choose, then that is entirely different. It all depends on what the agenda is. As for children being kicked out of their homes, that isn’t happening because of people like Jeremy who may choose a different path than other gays. That is happening because of religious bigotry! Do you see the distinction?? I am trying to distinguish between Jeremy’s RIGHT to try to change his orientation if he so wishes, from FORCING it on gays. You can disagree with his choice of ‘therapy’ all you want, but as long as he isn’t FORCING it on anyone, bashing him for it is just as bad as what the bigots do when they bash gays.

          • Kyle

            I am sorry to break it to you Monica, but your nephew has become one of those religious bigots…

          • Monica Leal

            I actually don’t know my nephew well enough to know if that’s true or not. But making an accusation without backing it up is never cool.

          • Kyle

            On his website he contends that homosexuals need to be fixed because they are broken, that they cannot be loved by God or go the heaven if they remain homosexual that’s pretty bigoted if you ask me.

            There are all things that I used to believe once, I was a religious bigot then to and it cost me a lot.

          • Monica Leal

            That’s a religious belief which often leads to bigotry, but isn’t bigotry itself. They can privately believe that all they want, but as long as they don’t impose their beliefs onto others, it isn’t bigotry.

          • Monica Leal

            I agree that such religious beliefs are very dangerous precisely because they DO lead to bigotry, hatred, judgment and violence…the very opposite of what Jesus taught (LOVE and compassion). More wars have been fought in the name of religion than for any other reason. I no longer subscribe to those old testament beliefs either. But in all fairness, not everyone who believes that way is necessarily bigoted. Many are very loving people. But if you want to get into the root cause of bigotry, it can be found in the very notion of a being ‘saved’ or ‘chosen’ to begin with.

          • Keith Rip

            Monica, I think you should talk to Jeremy and ask him some of these questions, or speak to the people who have benefited greatly from therapy. Don’t form your opinion around this story or the comments here alone. If you are related then you have a great opportunity to hear a very loving perspective from Jeremy. None of us want horrible outcomes for anyone, so that is not the point of the plank.

          • Kyle

            Are you an ex-gay Keith?

          • Keith Rip

            Nope

          • Rusty Reiter

            Keith, you posted that you were a member of the ex-gay group that Jeremy is in. Oh wait, that is for all kinds of sexually troubled people. Okay, never mind. Love your fake name, btw.

          • Kyle

            What are you then, SSA? Struggling? This is another problem, you guys can’t seem to come up with a definitive term to stick to

          • Rusty Reiter

            Kyle, the SSA are SOL now.

          • Kyle

            Oh dear lord! What does this one mean? At least when my brother was going through this nonsense it was just plain old “ex-gay”…

          • Monica Leal

            Agreed, Keith, except for the last part “None of us want horrible outcomes for anyone.” Unfortunately, that’s not quite true. There are many bigots who consider a peaceful, normal gay life as ‘more horrible’ than anything else and attempt to justify their bigotry in the name of ‘saving souls.’ These bigots try to control others and impose their views on people who aren’t hurting anyone. Maybe those who support this plank can understand why gay-rights supporters are concerned about where it might lead. There is unquestionably an ‘anti-gay’ agenda, no doubt about it. Whether this plank is a part of it or not, I don’t know, but surely you can see why people are concerned?

          • Keith Rip

            Yes I understand very well the concern. :)

          • Kyle

            Monica, have you ever heard of ego-dystonic sexual orientation?

          • Monica Leal

            No, but I just looked it up. quote from wiki “The gender identity or sexual preference (heterosexual, homosexual, bisexual, or prepubertal) is not in doubt, but the individual wishes it were different because of associated psychological and behavioural disorders, and may seek treatment in order to change it. (F66.1)
            The WHO notes that for codes under F66: “Sexual orientation by itself is not to be regarded as a disorder.”[1]
            This is often a result of unfavorable and intolerant attitudes of the society or a conflict between sexual urges and religious belief systems.”

          • Kyle

            That’s the one, Jeremy suffers from that. Which is more compassionate, to encourage him to continue to suffer or to help him to come to terms with who he is?

          • Monica Leal

            Unless he specifically asked you for help, It’s not your place to tell him what he should do. What Jeremy chooses is none of your business, nor anyone else’s.

          • Kyle

            I made that mistake once with family, it’s not something I will ever do again.

      • lit per

        blah blah blah god hates faqs blah blah blah

      • yodacohen

        Tell you what. If I get sick I’m going to a licensed MD who has had years of medical training and certification. If God forbid I contract cancer, I’m going to seek out care at Texas’s M D Anderson Hospital and Cancer Research Center, the greatest and most advanced cancer research facility in the world. I’m not gonna take the word of or seek help from some quack or right wing religious bigot. I believe in peer reviewed science. The same concept applies to human behavior. This isn’t some “Game of Thrones” ignorant medieval fantasy world. This is the 21st Century.

        • Monica Leal

          Someone who has been healed by using alternative healing methods, after the medical system let her down, is a bigot? Haha that is rich!

        • Monica Leal

          Looks like you must have confused me with someone else.

  • Rusty Reiter
  • lit per

    http://thinkprogress.org/lgbt/2011/10/11/340335/former-ex-gay-ministry-leader-comes-out-recants-previous-teachings/

    This quackery must be banned and all self-hating homophobes must be deported to their Christian “heaven” in Uganda.

    • 1bimbo

      get over yourself.. some people don’t want to be homosexual.. they deserve tools to successfully reject the lifestyle

      • lit per

        Some people want to believe in talking snakes from ancient books. They deserve to be locked in mental hospitals.

        • 1bimbo

          and some people practice sodomy to the point it’s detrimental to their health, i would say that’s a disorder that anyone should have the freedom to seek help to discontinue that practice

          • lit per

            Everyone should have the freedom to seek help to discontinue the practice of christosis.

      • Kyle

        People who are unable to accept their own sexual orientations deserve our compassion and love, but it is not compassionate or loving to play along with their delusions, in fact it can be quite dangerous. The so called “ex-gay” lifestyle replete with devastating horror stories.

  • https://www.youtube.com/user/HunterThomasMedia Samuel Thomas

    John Wright, I’d like to correct one point in your article that I have first hand knowledge of, and that affects me directly. I am the director of the spec Mozilla Firefox commercial, and I am quite offended by your characterization that it “features a homophobic shower scene,” coincidentally or otherwise.

    If you haven’t yet, you can view the entire commercial here: http://youtu.be/jgMWHfozBcQ

    You will see that the ad uses a thread of visual metaphors to represent invasion of privacy, of which the Firefox browser has safeguards against. In the shower scene that you reference, the gender of the two actors could be switched, swapped, sliced and/or diced and you’d still end up with the same message: invasion of privacy.

    That you inferred a homophobic meaning is unfortunate, and truly from your own imagination. I would appreciate a correction to your article on that point.

  • Kristine Fry

    GREAT JOB Jeremy!! SO Proud of you!!!!

  • 1bimbo

    i surmise that anyone who is forced to be the ‘catcher’ wants to be an ‘ex-gay’

  • Kristine Fry

    SO proud to say that Jeremy is my friend and a great guy!! I am so proud of him!!!!

  • Kristine Fry

    What is funny to me is that you all “SAY” respect my right to choose how I live and yet you attack someone who is fighting for the right to live as he chooses with the therapy that he chooses to attend. I personally know Jeremy and he is a wonderful and generous person. I am so very proud of him!! You are typical liberals – freedom of speech and choice as long as it agrees with ours! You are a joke!

    • Kyle

      If Jeremy wants to live alone for the rest of his life and pursue unproven or disproved quack therapies in his futile pinocchio-esque quest to become a real boy he ought to be absolutely free to do so. The conflict arises if and/or when he tries to proselytize to other vulnerable and already psychologically damaged people who are, for whatever reason, unable to accept their own orientations in order to get them to join him in his delusions, this is reprehensible and when done to teens and children it is utterly unacceptable.

      I am very sorry that your friend was made to feel like he couldn’t be who he was, that who he was was so broken or wrong that it needed to be fixed, no one should have to feel that, but he decided to open himself up to scrutiny by trying to make his delusions public policy.

      • Kristine Fry

        You are Gay and your are happy – great for you! The plank has really nothing to say about you… When your urges cause you not to be at peace with yourself, your beliefs, and your GOD then RT can help, and the plank only says that people should have the freedom to exercise their beliefs related to RT. Many teens are confused about their identity in many ways, I would NEVER support forced counseling of teens, but in a loving supportive family RT can help a teen find his/her way. I have a son and I love him. HE is only 3 so we are not there yet, but if e was confused about his identity why should it be illegal for me to get Christian counseling for him?

        • Kyle

          I am not in fact gay, but I have been effected personally by “ex-gay” quackery.

          My brother came out to all of us when he was 15, he sat us all down at our kitchen table and he told us. To this day I don’t know what he was expecting in that moment because he never told me but we assured him that we would always love him, we just could not love that part of him so in effect we told him that day that we could not love all of him, we could not accept all of him and thus began a very long and painful journey for our entire family but most of all for him. For nearly 10 years we supported him and encouraged him as he sought to “change” who he was though “ex-gay” counseling both religious and secular, he even under went about 6 months of RT. He wanted to “change”, you could not meet anyone who was more motivated and in that time many of us, myself included, went with him to “ex-gay” events to show that we would always be there for him as long as he continued on this path. 4 years ago last April my brother committed suicide, we think he did it after an anonymous hookup with another man. I believe with all my heart that my brother would still be alive today if 14 years ago, we had told him that we loved him, all of him, that we supported him, all of him and that we accepted him, all of him just the way he was, but we didn’t. We and countless “therapists”, “counselors”, “support groups” and professional “ex-gays” encouraged him to further and further dissociate himself from his own sexual orientation, to hate that sexual orientation and as we cannot be separated from our sexual orientations, in doing so we encouraged him to hate himself.

          So to answer your question, yes, I believe that it should be completely illegal for underage teenagers to undergo SOCE’s of any kind, it is vile torture and the only reason that those teens cannot accept themselves is because they come from families or faith communities who WILL NOT accept them, that is the problem that needs to be solved not the fact that their gay lesbian or bisexual. My brother was not broken and neither is any teen who is unable to come to terms with who they are and I cannot and will not in good conscience support breaking them for any reason.

          • Kristine Fry

            I wrote a long reply and it disappeared

          • Kyle

            Yeah, it says that you replied to me 3 times, but this is the only reply that I find or see.

          • Kristine Fry

            One more try Kyle

          • Kristine Fry

            They are blocking my reply. IT is very clear that the Observer is leaning on one side of this debate. Proud that when I lived int Texas i used this
            “paper” to line my garbage!

          • Forrest Wilder

            We are not blocking your replies. It could be an issue with Disqus.

          • Greekgirl

            So quick to judge… ha!

          • Monica Leal

            I’m so sorry for you loss, Kyle! Your brother was one of many such tragedies. Thank you for sharing your story, in the hopes that it may help others avoid such tragedy. I agree 100% that the real problem to be solved is that parents need to love and accept their gay teens. I also agree 100% that gay teens should not be subjected to such ‘therapy’ as it is usually done because of pressure from their parents. However, I don’t know if making it illegal is the solution, because that opens up another can of worms. Who gets to decide which therapies are acceptable and which aren’t? Apparently parents can now decide on sex change and hormone therapy for preadolescent children. It’s a contradiction that parents can legally do that but not their Christian ‘therapy.’ As soon as some ‘therapies’ are legal while others aren’t, we have a big mess on our hands, and already do. I fully support ADULTS to choose for themselves whatever they wish, but when it comes to kids/teens that is an entirely different issue. I would not want to lose parental rights, but then how do we protect kids from fanatical parents? There is no easy answer to that question, unfortunately.

          • Kyle

            Thank you Monica, Robbie was a wonderful human being in so many ways and the world is a lesser place without him here. When we were kids coming up the only thing that ever came between us was 10 months but my brother’s dead now as a direct result of this kind now officially sanctioned nonsense.

            My parents, myself and my siblings would once have been stalwart supporters of parental rights on this issue, as a family we “lovingly” encouraged Robbie to seek out this kind of quack therapy when he was underage, we should not have been allowed to. When he walked through the door of his first therapist’s office that man should have been bound by the law and by his licensing board to help my brother come to terms with who he was, but because he wasn’t, he began to break him, that should have been illegal then and it should certainly be illegal now.

            We need to protect and help vulnerable children come to terms with who they are, not torture them.

          • Kristine Fry

            Kyle,

            I am sorry for your loss and at the same time aware that those words over the
            internet from a stranger offers very little solace. That being said (and
            sincerely offered) I do not know enough about your brother or his story to
            judge if he struggled with his truly held beliefs vs his own urges OR the
            desire to please others and his desired lifestyle. I DO know Jeremy enough to
            know some of his struggles and to know that he is sincere. He has found a path
            to peace and wishes to share those some resources with others.

          • Kristine Fry

            Many people struggle with urges that do not align with their
            individual held beliefs of what is healthy or will bring them peace within
            themselves and with their God.

          • Kristine Fry

            The Texas observer is such a joke. If you say something that disagrees with us we will just block your post

          • 1bimbo

            progressives want to control the debate and when you start making sense or convincingly stating your point, your posts disappear.. i’ve had comments disappear as well

          • Forrest Wilder

            None of your comments were deleted or blocked.

          • Kristine Fry

            People struggle with alcohol abuse, drugs, over eating, and many
            other urges that they believe are unhealthy and or do not bring them closer to
            their God.

          • Kristine Fry

            Those people should have access to counselling of their choice
            regardless of age. And no one has the right to dictate the message of that
            counseling to be the current fad “everything goes”.

          • Kristine Fry

            And families have the right to LOVINGLY support their children
            in finding a path that will provide them with peace and happiness.

          • Kristine Fry

            I have Gay friends that are happy and I believe I will leave the
            judging up to God. I happen to be over weight, which the Bible says is sinful
            so I will worry about my plank and leave others splinters.

          • Kristine Fry

            That
            being said no one should have the right to tell a family that they can not seek
            Christian counseling for a child that is trying to find his/her way.

          • Kyle

            Thank you Kristine, anytime someone takes the time to say that they are sorry for the loss we suffered it does offer some solace, not all that much, but some.

            You know what Jeremy says and how he acts when he is around you, you do not however know if he is being sincere or not. You cannot know that for certain, he is the only person who can know that for sure.

            As I said before, I am very sorry that your friend Jeremy was ever made to feel like he couldn’t be who he was, that who he was was so broken or wrong that it needed to be fixed or cure, no one should have to feel that because they are gay, lesbian or bisexual. That is a profound injustice.

            And if he wishes to pursue unproven or disproved quack therapies in a futile pinocchio-esque quest to become a real boy he ought to be absolutely free to do so.

            My conflict arises if and/or when (and it is usually “when” because of the insecurities which I have found are inherent within the ex-gay lifestyles of many) he and others try to proselytize to other vulnerable and already psychologically damaged people who are, for whatever reason, unable to accept their own orientations in order to get them to join him in his brokenness, this is reprehensible and when done to teens and children it is utterly unacceptable.

            Children and teenagers NEED to be protected from this nonsense, if they cannot accept themselves they need to be given the tools to do so not taught how to effectively torture themselves for years.

          • Kristine Fry

            Kyle,

            I have known Jeremy for a long time- I would have to really think hard to figure out exactly how long but suffice it to say over 10 years. And without discussing private matters I am VERY aware of his struggles and how sincere he is about this topic.

            YOU want to advocate for people who “Want to be gay” or want to live out their urges and be accepted. I have no issue with them – go live your life and YES please tell your family I love you but this is who I want to be!!

            But some others are not at peace with their urges. THEY believe that it is not GODS will for them to live that life style. And some of these people are young. They should have access to Christian counseling. I agree it should not be forced, but outlawing this type of counseling for teens is NOT the answer.

            I live in a county where I could not spank my child until the age of 3. REALLY? Because some people go to far and become abusive Bureaucrats are now going to tell me how to discipline my child? I say get out of my family! I got this!

          • Kyle

            It most certainly is the answer Kristine.

            The only reason that any child or teenager cannot accept themselves is because they come from families or faith communities who WILL NOT accept them, that is the problem that needs to be solved not the fact that they’re gay, lesbian or bisexual. And yes, they are being forced, everyone of them is being forced because they have been made to feel that way, they have not been allowed to come to terms with who they are.

            I cannot support allowing anyone to break their child in order to prove that they are broken.

          • Kristine Fry

            Kyle I personally know 2 people (neither of them Jeremy) that dipped their toe into the homosexual pool during teen years because they were confused. Both are now married with kids. They did not call it RT then but one went to counseling at church and the other just worked their way through it. Both now state that hurts had them confused and trying to find a different way. It is history for both of them and they are living peaceful lives!

          • Kyle

            Kristine, as I said before, I believe that any adult should be able to pursue any kind of quack nonsense “therapy” that they please because they hate themselves, that is and ought to be their choice and if they are hurting themselves by doing so (and the vast majority are), it is up to the friends and family to do something about it, not me or the state. However children should never be subjected to ex-gay quack nonsense of any kind. The only reason that any child or teenager cannot accept themselves and their sexuality, be they homosexual or bisexual, is
            because they come from families or faith communities who WILL NOT accept
            them and I cannot and will not ever support allowing anyone to break their child in order to prove that they are broken.

            I will say this though, I certainly hope that your two friends are in fact bisexual and not exclusively homosexual who are now deluding themselves and lying to everyone around them as is far too common, because if they are, they have decided to be incredibly selfish by dragging innocent heterosexual spouses and children into their delusions so that they can play pretend family.

            Of all the pain caused by this kind of nonsense the broken and psychologically scared families it leaves in it’s wake is second only to its death count.

          • Kristine Fry

            They have both been married for years with 6 children all told. I am sure that they have a normal amount of problems, as each are over 20 years out of their teens (the time period that they both had issues) it seems that they have found their way. I think it is funny that you can not accept that these two people are now Heterosexual. I wont pretend to know their minds and hearts. I haven’t spoken to either of them about these issues in over a decade, but I think it is presumptuous of you to THINK that you know better for them than they do. Isn’t that what this is all about?

          • Kyle

            I can certainly accept that they are bisexual. Kristine, heterosexuals don’t have homosexuals “issues” of any kind.

          • Greekgirl

            Kyle, so sorry for your loss. Thanks for advocating for the vulnerable. I am not gay but a supporter of equality for all. Kristine and people like her, just can’t understand what you are saying but I give you so much credit for repeatedly trying. She just can’t grasp the notion that it is harmful to take a teen or child and force them into therapy to change who they are. She never will grasp it either. But I commend your valiant effort! She’s equating it to alcoholism or drug abuse. Sexual preference is not an addiction or disease for crying out loud.

          • Kyle

            I will not apologize for wanting to protect the most vulnerable from this kind of predatory long-term torture.

            I made the mistake of being on the wrong side of this issue once and I will not make that mistake ever again, I will not be party by inaction or apathy, to the destruction of anyone elses family.

            We can change what we believe but they cannot change who they are.

          • Kristine Fry

            You can not change who an alcoholic or an over eater is… but if they find a lifestyle that they feel is more healthy they can find peace and happiness.

          • Kyle

            our sexual orientations, whatever they happen to be, are not addictions and they are not comparable to addictions.

          • Monica Leal

            So sad. I agree with the gist of what you said, except the ‘bound by law’ part because that gets really complicated. The problem is that when we start allowing or expecting the law to protect children from their parents, it’s a slippery slope. While cases of obvious child abuse require legal intervention – no doubt about that – when it comes to less clear-cut medical, religious or psychological ‘therapies’ it gets really grey. For example, many pregnant teenage girls have committed suicide, or have been coerced into abortions, rather than face their fundamentalist religious parents. Who gets to decide whether a child or teen can have access to a potentially harmful medical procedure without parental consent? As with gay teens, the fact that they fear their fanatical parents at all is the problem. But that is the reality we’re dealing with. Another example of the slippery slope is cancer treatment. If we allow the govt. to decide on what is acceptable or not, then they start taking children away from their parents for refusing chemo in favor of more effective, nontoxic, natural alternatives. It has already happened. Chemo is the ‘accepted’ treatment by the mainstream but a growing number of us would NEVER get chemo and wouldn’t want to be legally prohibited from pursuing less popular alternatives that have not yet been proven or accepted by mainstream medical system, precisely because the medical system profits by suppressing alternatives in favor of pushing their poison-cut-burn approach. Whereas in the case of this Christian gay therapy it might be the ‘quack’ approach and the mainstream approach is the ‘correct’ one, in the case of cancer treatment it is the opposite – the ‘accepted, mainstream’ chemo is the quackery and the ‘not yet approved’ natural alternatives are the effective ones. See, it can go either way, and we cannot always assume that the mainstream way is the right or best way. Sometimes the fringe way is the cutting-edge innovation that will actually address the problem. So we cannot base laws only on what is accepted by the mainstream ‘authorities’ because they are often corrupt, as is the case in our current medical system. If we all agreed on what is best for children and teens, we could enforce laws. But the problem is that we don’t. Christians would like to see kids legally protected from what they consider ‘atheist’ or ‘satanic’ teachings, while non-Christians would like to see kids protected from what they see as ‘fanatical’ biblical indoctrination. Another striking example is vaccinations. I used to think anyone who didn’t vaccinate was guilty of child abuse, and many people still think that. After I got educated, I now think the opposite! I now know that mandated vaccination is highly profitable for the drug industry and poisonous to the children, yet many people push for this. Same with water fluoridation. The list goes on…so many controversial areas. As soon as we get the law involved in deciding what kids can and cannot do without parental consent, we open up a can of worms. Even when there is scientific research available, we still can’t know for sure because those studies are often skewed to protect financial interests. Same with this gay therapy issue. Apparently the leaders of this were making big bucks and later admitted that the therapy doesn’t even work, but just does damage. In this case, it might seem straightforward that the therapy is quackery, but it’s not always so clear-cut.

          • Secure

            So sorry for your loss.

          • Kyle

            Thank you, I just wish that I hadn’t taken that to change me and my beliefs, that I could have been the person I am now for him then. He was a wonderful person and he did not deserve what we did to him.

          • Secure

            Your brother was a brave individual to have come out that young. Had I done the same thing at the age of 15, with the church my family was in, I would very likely have been to sent to a “reparative therapist” or an “ex-gay camp” with perhaps the same terrible outcome. I didn’t accept being gay and come out until much later. You sound like a loving brother with a loving family. It’s the quack therapists who are at fault here. Your brother was a wholly, loving human being no matter his sexual preference.

            http://www.dallasvoice.com/finally-reparative-therapy-program-offered-gays-guarantees-results-10174403.html

            That link just shows how easy it is for anyone to instantly become a “reparative therapist” without any kind of professional certification. It’s dangerous. It’s deadly.

            If states have laws about the proper certification of abortion doctors, shouldn’t they have the same with “reparative therapists?”

    • 1bimbo

      well said

  • 1bimbo

    judging by the diatribe on this commenting thread, it’s a wonder why anyone would want to associate with those who embrace the homosexual lifestyle.. the ex-homosexual h8ers are the meanest bunch of judgmental bigots i’ve seen on one page ever

    • Secure

      Choosing on your own to go to therapy to deny your innate sexual feelings is one thing. Forcing children to do it is another. The plank Jeremy has written will give parents that choice. It’s wrong, and could endanger many young lives.

      • Kyle

        Not could, will and does.

      • 1bimbo

        children belong to their parents.. religion and mental health are their responsibility as well.. apparently the vast majority of people in texas understand that and understand that not everyone wants to be homosexual or sexually disordered.. parents especially don’t wish such a dangerous and troubled lifestyle on their children..yes, the real danger is advocating for and publicly mandating acceptance of homosexuality and the lifestyle associated with it… that’s where the private therapy choice for parents and adults becomes an option to offer anyone tools to avoid the lifestyle

        • Secure

          Yeah my lifestyle of working, cooking, cleaning, exercising, and spending time with my partner, family, friends, and going hiking and camping is such a BAD “lifestyle choice!” Why don’t you spend your energy trying to get people off drugs and alcohol? Sex is a natural human function. Good God. People like you and Jeremy are so messed up!

          • 1bimbo

            your life is nobody’s business but yours and the lives of other people’s children are not your business either – especially if you’re trying to ‘teach’ them that promoting homosexuality is ‘healthy’ and ‘normal’

          • Secure

            Trying to torture the gay out of a child is everyone’s business.

          • 1bimbo

            ‘torture’ is indoctrinating children with an indecent and immoral sex-centric notion of being.. spiritual, emotional, physical, moral, intellectual and social balance is key to healthy childhood development.. my heart hurts for children who are victims of homosexuality advocates who thrust their sex disorders on them.. in a therapeutic setting a child who is autistic or even one who is battling drug or alcohol abuse can be offered tools to improve and enhance their lives. the same goes for children dealing with a permissive, s e x -infused culture

          • Secure

            So heterosexual guys who think about sex all the time are considered immoral and indecent to you? Got it. Balance is the key to a successful life whether you are homosexual or heterosexual. My life doesn’t revolve around sex. Jeremy admitted he was a sexaholic. That was his problem. He needed balance in his life, not “reparative therapy.”

        • Kyle

          Parents should not be allowed to subject their children to torture, whether that torture is physical or psychological.

          Moreover, if parents do not want their homosexual children to suffer the dangers associated with a promiscuous lifestyle they would do well to accept and love their children completely and take an active and interested role in their lives and relationships.

          • 1bimbo

            ‘torture’ is teaching children that sodomy is normal.. i’d call it abusive parenting

          • Kyle

            Oral SODOMY is practiced by the vast majority of the population, sodomy is the norm.

          • 1bimbo

            don’t kid yourself… the only women who practice s o d o m y as the ‘norm’ in their relationships are p o r n stars, p r o s t i t u t e s, c r a c k heads and sex addicts

          • Kyle

            I’m not the one who is kidding myself here bimbo and we both know it…

          • 1bimbo

            good try.. manipulations on issues of sexuality don’t fly here in texas.. we know what’s up.. we know that homosexuality advocacy leads to a dysfunctional communities.. the lifestyle causes medically devastating issues and causes psychological, physiological, social and spiritual harm.. not good for children, not good for society

          • Kyle

            If you want homosexual children and teenagers to hate themselves and thus become more likely to engage in self-destructive and dangerous behaviors by all means continue what you are doing, but please stop pretending that it’s compassionate when it’s not.

          • 1bimbo

            typically, children who ‘engage in self-destructive and dangerous behaviors’ are either victims of poor parenting, likely susceptible to peer pressure, have been victims of s e x abuse and/or have no positive role models in their lives

          • Kyle

            I have done a lot of research into this subject in the past 4 years Bimbo and I have yet to meet a HIV+ homosexual man who didn’t come from either an unaccepting or highly religious background, there is a reason for that.

            Like I said before, if you want homosexual children and teens to group up well adjusted and to avoid a dangerous promiscuous lifestyle love and accept them completely and take an active and involved role in their life and relationships.

          • 1bimbo

            you don’t have to lecture moral people about how to ‘accept and love’ their own children, unless your so obliviously pretentious that you feel compelled to do so.. everyone works with homosexuals and has some in their family.. their lifestyle choice as an adult is their own and it’s a privacy issue, that’s the beauty of freedom.. your opinion to prohibit parents from seeking help for their own children is the opposite of freedom

          • Kyle

            It’s not “help”, it’s torture and the state should not allow parents to torture their children.

          • 1bimbo

            ‘torture’ is tricking children into believing that they are the sum of their ‘sexuality’

          • Kyle

            No torture is tricking teenagers into believing that their sexuality is not a part of who they are at all. Torture is teaching them how dissociate themselves from their sexual orientations so that they can effectively torture and hate themselves without any help. Torture is telling them that it more virtuous and moral to have have one night stands with complete strangers and repent than it is to have long-term, loving sexual relationships. That’s torture.

          • 1bimbo

            moral is teaching children to abstain from s e x until marriage.. it’s probably a difficult concept for you to grasp, but part of the responsibility of a parent is teaching children to avoid harmful choices.. in the same way a moral parent teaches a child to avoid stepping in poison ivy because of the negative consequences is the same way that parent teaches the child to avoid pre-marital s e x because of the negative consequences.. open communication, accurate information and regular reinforcement

          • Kyle

            I have no problems with teaching a homosexual child that they ought to abstain from sex until they are married.

          • 1bimbo

            if you’re talking to a child about homosexuality, that’s pedophilia

          • Kyle

            What are you talking about? How so?

          • 1bimbo

            children need to be children, their education about s e x should be age appropriate and handled clinically until they are adults, to be honest and accurate about that information, you can not deny them access to information about the harm from deviant, p e r v e r t e d or disordered behaviors

          • Kyle

            I agree it should be age appropriate, honest and accurate and if they homosexual they should certainly be made very aware of the dangers posed by not accepting themselves and choosing to live a promiscuous lifestyle, how it that pedophilia?

          • 1bimbo

            there are camps now in homosexual ‘marriage’ states that encourage children as young as 5 to ‘explore’ their sexuality and sexual orientation.. exposing children to these kinds of topics is cruel, abusive and the adults should be prosecuted for indecency

          • Kyle

            I agree, that should certainly be illegal, as I said above sex education should be age appropriate, honest and accurate.

    • Kyle

      It’s not about hatred, it’s about compassion and pity, if you want to blame all your problems of your sexual orientation and/or some phantom past trauma(s) rather than coming to terms with who and what you are that is entirely your choice, but you are killing yourself slowly and in proselytizing that kind of unhealthy dissociative behavior to other vulnerable people, you’re killing them too.

  • Jack Hughes

    The only people who support the “pray away the gay” scam are those making a buck off it — and credulous Republicans.

  • drivingchickidee

    Some people refuse to consider observable phenomena in forming their opinions. Just BC there are no peer reviewed studies does not mean reparative therapy is not effective, only that it has not been studied. Rusty Reiter, how do you explain those who have successfully left the same sex lifestyle? Check out Dennis Jernigan my friend. Every medical association used to tell us not to eat eggs, but they have since reversed that and a lot of other recommendations as more information and evidence is uncovered. I don’t mind you having an opinion about same sex attraction. But it is closed minded of you to insist that your opinion is the only truth and last word in the subject.

  • Kristine Fry

    Obviously the observer is siding up with review of comments because I posted a reply twice and they did not post it. I was not cursing or being hateful. Great job TO for allowing discussion on your page… Not

    And this is EXACTLY the issue I have with Liberals- FREEDOM of speech and thought as long at it agrees with the liberal agenda… otherwise how dare you say that!

    • 1bimbo

      not surprised.. the commenting application is through disqus, a company based in san fransisco, while they offer the platform for posting, texOb has the option to set the filter but disqus does have access

  • Kristine Fry

    Hi Gay person that is refusing to review my posts 0 having fun???

  • TerrynHouston

    I feel sorry for the woman that agrees to someday marry this closeted gay. This is what happens to people who’s society cannot accept gays. There are so many married and bi men that marry a woman just to be the status quo. It is so unfair to the woman who lives this kinda of life and in most cases has no idea.

    • 1bimbo

      women and men by choice marry ex-homosexuals everyday and live out happy healthy lives together.. i feel sorry for you that you can’t accept that fact

      • Kyle

        Mixed orientation marriages where one partner is exclusively homosexual have a divorce rate of over 90%. No one who purports to care about either ego-dystonic homosexuals or their potential heterosexual spouses would or should encourage them to marry.

        • 1bimbo

          ’66% of statistics are made up on the spot’

          • Kyle

            My mistake the actual figure is 86% according to the Straight Spouses Network. They are a resource for the human wreckage left behind by these kinds of farcical and unfair “marriages”.

          • 1bimbo

            misinformation, propaganda, self-serving narratives is what it actually sounds like to me… plus i have little faith in the sexuality label of-the-month.. ‘ego-diostoic’ sounds like another miserable label conjured up by homosexuality advocates.. just like other terms like ‘cis heterosexuality’ born out of liberal psychology departments to try to marginalize normal sexuality

          • Kyle

            Reality is not propaganda, it is reality. Ego-dystonic sexual orientation disorder has been a recognized mental illness for decades, it is a pathological inability to accept ones own sexual orientation. It was recognized before even homosexuality itself was declassified.

  • Harry Underwood

    The only people who benefit from the constant, indiscriminate inveighing against LGBT experiences are those who have been inculcated with the dressed-up myth that there is only one way to manifest healthy sexuality

    What this guy did was reinstill the shame and fear that is the fuel of Abrahamic doctrine, the same shame and fear which sent LGBT people into jail and mental health facilities in the 20th century, into a political party’s platform. He wishes to see us LGBTs “cured” through his “carefully-taught” religion, all because his religion – not shared science, not any shared sense of ethics, but *HIS* RELIGION – says that our orientation and relationships are evil.

    I don’t think I can fully express my feeling on such inherent mendacity without giving ground to the fearful Christians on this comment board who can only affirm those who comply with the authoritarian tome that they call “scripture” but fear the most serious critiques of their ways.

    But the fact that things are getting better for people like me in spite of people like this guy, that is a comfort.

    More than drowning my sorrows in food.

    • Kyle

      Well said, stay strong Harry!

    • Kristine Fry

      Triple word score for you!!! Big words do not make you right although I AM impressed by your large vocabulary. That being said I am glad that things are getting better for you, but for those who struggle to bring their life and urges in to harmony with their beliefs are still hurting. The ministry that Joel 2:25 provides helps those people!!

      • Kyle

        Joel 2:25 “helps” people in the same way that alcohol, drugs and promiscuity “helps” people, they both exist on opposite extremes of a specturm where the middle represents the optimum in psychological adjustment.

  • Greekgirl
  • Chip70

    Follow this “logic” – a woman’s right to chose what to do with her own body, and the TexasGOP/ republicans take that away. A ‘therapy’ that our established and reputable science has declared bogus – the Texas Republican what to preserve people’s choice. 6 million uninsured Texans get nothing for a choice – because the Texas GOP feel it’s not warranted. “Repair”? – Yes. Someone please repair the soles of the Texas Republican Party….

    • 1bimbo

      ‘soles’ are on shoes.. but that’s besides the point, so i suspect you will come out against those who want to change their gender with ‘gender reassignment’ surgery as well.. just to be consistent

      • Chip70

        What’s so difficult about this, Bimbo?

  • Chip70

    Hi Jeremy. It’s clear there are always going to be scam artists who attempt to defraud after first gaining their confidence. Here is what happened to your predecessor : (CNN) — After 37 years, Exodus International, an organization whose mission was to “help” gay Christians become straight, is shutting down. But not before issuing an apology to the LGBT community for “years of undue judgment by the organization and the Christian Church as a whole,” a statement from the group says.

  • Chip70

    For the folks who are reading this and think they might need to be “repaired” – please. Consider the source. Even if that source is a loved one. Remember, people who count in your life do not think you need to be “repaired”…

    • 1bimbo

      i guess you’re against ‘gender re-assignment’ operations too

  • Richard Fojtik

    Wow Jeremy, I’ve met some amazingly ignorant people in my life, but you take the cake. I’m a christian, born again, blood bought, spirit filled, speaking in tongues, know jesus christ PERSONALLY. He healed me from aids back in 2001. Now let me get your straight. You are wrong for what you are doing and have done and you basically have caused more damage than any person fighting for gay rights. You cannot change the FLESH in any way shape or form. You replaced one vice for another. Feeding your flesh to replace homosexual desire for food, is the most ignorant thing I have ever heard. You do not get set free from things by replacing it with another thing. You get set free from things by CHRIST and him alone. But Jesus Christ accepts gay people. He loves me as I am. If you WERE a christian YOU WOULD KNOW THIS. But it is clear to me that you are a lost soul. Jesus christ does not want you to judge people and tell them they are inferior to you which is basically what you are doing. You are arrogant and are sickening to look at. I am fighting against Rick Perry and every other politician out there that has started this platform and I will see them all fall, including YOU.

    • 1bimbo

      it’s obvious by your intolerance of ex-homosexuals that you are a fraud

  • writerJerome

    Jeremy is lying in huge ways on this video. He claims he was living an open gay life up until two years earlier, but he started ex-gay ministry in 2002. The reason he hides this fact is the subject of my upcoming national articles. This is going to be a bigger story than anyone knew.

  • Storm Britten Ilouno

    You didn’t win crap. You’re disgusting and are causing suicides and depression in waves. You should be ashamed and one day soon you will be back being your natural gay self and will be so burdened by guilt that I feel sorry for you. I’m ashamed of your manhood. You make Christians look crazy and you’re dividing the nation. I hope that you can find peace in yourself and I hope you can handle the heavy burden of guilt that you will forever carry for the children and young people you are harming. Please stop the insanity. You need help. Please seek out professional mental health care for your mental illness and psychological issues.

  • Storm Britten Ilouno

    For those of you who may be struggling or whom have found yourselves victim to this abuse, please join the Facebook page TEXAS SURVIVORS OF INSTITUTIONAL ABUSE. Here you will find like minded people who have been thru what you are going through. You can ask questions, feel open and free to share and seek out help. Please check out the page on Facebook. https://www.facebook.com/TexasSurvivorsOfInstitutionalAbuse

  • exGander

    There’s actually much, much more to this story. If true, you’ve all been duped.

    http://www.bilerico.com/2014/07/author_of_texas_ex-gay_plank_tied_to_sex_offender.php