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‘License to Discriminate’ Bills Pile Up in Texas Lege

The measures would limit the ability of cities to enforce laws protecting LGBT citizens.
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State Rep Jason Villalba (R-Dallas) (photo courtesy Jason Villalba) and state Rep Donna Campbell (R-New Braunfels) (photo by Patrick Michels)
State Rep Jason Villalba (R-Dallas) (photo courtesy Jason Villalba) and state Rep Donna Campbell (R-New Braunfels) (photo by Patrick Michels)

Updated below with comments from  Rep. Jason Villalba.

Two days after the Plano City Council approved an ordinance prohibiting discrimination against LGBT people, a Texas legislator filed a proposed constitutional amendment that would limit the ability of cities to enforce such laws.

On Wednesday, Rep. Jason Villalba (R-Dallas) filed House Joint Resolution 55, which is similar but not identical to Senate Joint Resolution 10, filed last month by Sen. Donna Campbell (R-New Braunfels).

Rep. Jeff Leach (R-Plano), one of several lawmakers who sent a letter to the Plano City Council opposing the nondiscrimination ordinance, also announced on Twitter Tuesday that he’s drafting a bill “to protect Texas business owners from unconstitutional infringements on their religious liberty.” As of Thursday morning, Leach’s bill hadn’t been filed, and he didn’t return a phone call seeking comment.

Nevertheless, a month before the session begins, the flurry of legislation suggests that, thanks in part to the legalization of same-sex marriage across much of the nation, conservatives will challenge gay rights in the name of religious freedom in the 84th Texas Legislature.

The resolutions from Campbell and Villalba would amend the Texas Constitution to state that government “may not burden” someone’s “sincerely held religious belief” unless there is a “compelling governmental interest” and it is the “least restrictive means of furthering that interest.” Villalba’s amendment would state that government “may not burden in any way a person ’s free exercise of religion” unless those same conditions are met.

Experts say the amendments could limit cities’ ability to enforce LGBT-inclusive nondiscrimination ordinances. In addition to Plano, cities that have passed LGBT-inclusive nondiscrimination ordinances include Austin, Dallas, Fort Worth, Houston and San Antonio.

That’s because business owners could claim exemptions from the ordinances if they have sincerely held religious beliefs—such as opposition to same-sex marriage—making it legal for them to fire employees for being gay or refuse service to LGBT customers.

“It blows a hole in your nondiscrimination protections if people can ignore them for religious reasons,” said Jenny Pizer, senior counsel at the LGBT civil rights group Lambda Legal.

But Pizer and others said an even bigger problem could be the amendments’ unintended consequences.

Daniel Williams, legislative specialist for Equality Texas, said in addition to the First Amendment, the state already has a statute that provides strong protections for religious freedom—known as the Religious Freedom Restoration Act, or RFRA. But Williams said the proposed constitutional amendments would supplant RFRA and go further, overriding exceptions in the statute for things like zoning regulations and civil rights laws.

“A church or a synagogue or a mosque could conceivably be built anywhere with no concern to traffic flow or how much parking is available or building codes,” Williams said. “There are butchers that butcher in accordance with very specific religious laws, and they’re able to do that, but the city and the state enforce environmental protections that ensure we don’t wind up with giant ponds of blood in residential neighborhoods. If you take away the ability of cities to enforce those, it’s going to have an enormous negative impact on the quality of life for everyone in that area.”

Villalba didn’t return a phone call seeking comment, but he told WOAI,  “I raise my little ones to have a deep and abiding respect for the Almighty, and I will fight to ensure that their religious liberty is not limited merely because they step foot into their public school or town square.”

Campbell, meanwhile, has insisted the intent of SJR 10 isn’t discriminatory, even though she was a vocal opponent of San Antonio’s nondiscrimination ordinance passed last year.

“That some have purposefully misrepresented this bill as changing Texas law to allow discrimination is greatly disappointing and wholly inaccurate,” Campbell wrote on Facebook in response to a deluge of criticism over SJR 10. “Freedom of conscience is one of our most sacred rights going back to the founding of our nation. The intent of this resolution is to protect and promote diversity of thought and expression where others have sadly tried to hinder it.”

Asked whether SJR 10 would give businesses a “license to discriminate,” Campbell spokesman Jon Oliver told the Observer this week that the label reflects a rebranding effort “by some on the left who are hostile to religion.”

Oliver also alluded to the fact that Texas law doesn’t currently include protections against discrimination based on sexual orientation or gender identity.

“I don’t know how it will affect local ordinances,” Oliver said. “I can tell you it won’t affect state law regarding protected classes for hiring or firing individuals. Our bill does not deal with protected classes and does not attempt to change state law in that respect.”

Oliver said it’s important to have a constitutional amendment protecting religious freedom because the statute could easily be changed by future Legislatures. He also tied SJR 10 to Houston’s recent decision to subpoena pastors’ sermons as part of the city’s defense against a lawsuit aimed at repealing its Equal Rights Ordinance.

“The goal is to keep pastors sermons from being subpoenaed,” Oliver said.

Williams noted that similar resolutions from Campbell have failed in previous sessions. Amending the state Constitution requires two-thirds support in both chambers as well as a majority public vote.

“That’s a very high bar, and the Legislature’s a deliberative body,” Williams said.

But Williams said the key to defeating the legislation this go-round will be economic arguments.

“This would have a detrimental affect on businesses that are looking to relocate to Texas,” he said. “Businesses that want to relocate to Texas will think that their LGBT employees and the family members of their LGBT employees are not going to be welcome.”

It’s the same strategy that’s been used to defeat similar legislation in other states, including Arizona, where Gov. Jan Brewer vetoed a so-called “license to discriminate” bill earlier this year in the the face of strong opposition from Fortune 500 companies.

According to campaign finance reports, Sen. Campbell has received significant contributions from several corporations with perfect scores on the Human Rights Campaign’s Corporate Equality Index, which measures employers’ support for the LGBT community.

But none of those otherwise gay-friendly corporations would go on record this week in opposition to SJR 10.

“SJR 10 is one of thousands of bills filed, we will weigh in and comment on bills when and if they are scheduled for hearing,” said Mona Taylor, a spokeswoman for Dallas-based AT&T Inc., which contributed $5,000 to Campbell’s campaign through its PAC this year.

Other companies with perfect HRC scores that have contributed to Campbell’s campaign in the last year include General Motors Co. ($2,500), Citigroup Inc. ($1,500), UnitedHealth Group Inc. ($,1000), the Raytheon Co. ($1,000), Merck & Co. ($1,000), Genentech Inc. ($750) and Astellas Pharma Inc. ($500).

Update: Villalba told the Observer on Thursday that HJR 55 has been misrepresented and is not intended to undermine local nondiscrimination ordinances. He said he opposes any kind of discrimination, including based on sexual orientation.

Villalba said HJR 55 would merely incorporate language from the free exercise clause of the U.S. Constitution into the Texas Constitution, and was drafted in response to incidents like a recent one in Cherokee County, where officials came under fire for displaying a nativity scene at the courthouse.

“That’s what this is meant to address, not these anti-discrimination regulations that you’re seeing pop up around the state,” Villalba said. “To me, those kinds of regulatory provisions are local in nature.”

Villalba declined to say whether he supports the right of businesses to turn away same-sex couples. He also would not commit to supporting legislation banning anti-LGBT discrimination statewide.

“I don’t make it a habit to opine on legislation that’s not currently before me,” he said. “I believe we should not discriminate against people because of their sexual orientation, and it’s important that we accept and treat all Texans with the dignity and respect they deserve as human beings.”

Updated (Dec. 21): The original version of this story stated that HJR 55 would prohibit government from burdening someone’s “sincerely held religious belief.” HJR 55 would instead prohibit government from burdening “in any way a person ’s free exercise of religion.” The story has been corrected. We regret the error. 

  • raw608

    I think I have a religious conviction that I should be able to raise goats, plus I have adequate room to do so at my homestead. Therefore, I am going to raise goats in River Oaks in Houston and the hell with any government restrictions.,

    • http://www.ragingelephantsradio.com/ Doc Greene

      Let me know when you get it going. I love cabrito

    • Victor Edwards

      See my comment just above.

  • mykelb

    Time for those who have been disenfranchised to sue under the US Constitution and the UN Charter of Human Rights.

  • Jay

    All these Ignorant modern day people hiding behind agendas will one of these days have a child or grandchild that is LGBT. Jason Villalba- what a joke– Another career politician.

    • lmwilker

      Phyllis Schlafly has a gay son but she’s still a completely repulsive bigot.

    • Victor Edwards

      Despite your heroic attempts to justify homosexuality, there is not a single bit of evidence to suggest, let alone prove, that homosexuality is an inborn trait. It is a learned behavior. Thus, it is a choice. Thus it is moral perversion, and a purposeful one at that. No one has homosexual children; they are MADE.

      • Vixpix1

        The entire community of psychologists understands that homosexuality is as inborn as heterosexuality, but the evidence comes from the people themselves, who will tell you that their earliest sexual feelings were homosexual. Your real problem is that to admit this truth, you would have to admit that these people are exactly the way God made them. That being the case, your despising them means that you think you know better than God. Since your comments indicate that you have less sense than a plastic screwdriver handle, this would paint a rather abject picture of the Almighty.

      • Jay

        You have no idea. When did you get to choose to be straight?

        • Victor Edwards

          All people are born heterosexual. It is a choice to be homosexual. That is what makes it deviant sexual behavior; it is unnatural and only arises because of choice by the agent. A homosexual man’s hormones are exactly like mine; his will is not. I could choose to be homosexual right now IF I WANTED TO. But my “want to” is not broken as the homosexual person’s is. Homosexuality is a spiritual problem of the will. The homosexual will is NOT free, as they imagine, but they are enslaved by their lusts, and their wills always choose the evil and perverse. In religion, we call that “lost,” or in the words of a friend, “as lost as Hogan’s goat.” Since homosexuals and goats are both brute beasts, that saying seem apt.

  • rextrek1

    well just another in a long list of reasons to never go too, nor spend a penny in Texas!

  • cc423

    My religion does not allow me to do business with bigots… so I am allowed to deny service to Donna Campbell.

    • Victor Edwards

      Surely you can recognize the difference between an attitude of the mind and sexual behavior. You have committed a classic category error, a thing common among the homosexual community. Logic seems to be lost on them. Homosexuality is a sexual perversion and has been since the creation of mankind. That some stupid courts somehow justified it and made it legal does not change the fact that it is still sexual perversion. Law does not make a thing moral.

      And please, tell me what your business/service is so I can avoid you and your business.

      • RoundRocker

        Well, if you want to be allowed to discriminate against people based on immoral sexual behavior, then you have no problem with a business discriminating against people who are divorced, remarried, having sex and/or cohabiting out of wedlock, people who view pornography… Oh wait- “Christian” businesses don’t want to discriminate against a huge majority of the population, just LGBT people.

    • 1bimbo

      yes.. yes you are

  • Tricky Rick

    Conservative Republican Fake Christians at their finest. Family values for all!! Well, except the ones they don’t like. Because thats what Jesus would do. Jeeeesuuuuus! Praise the Lord! Thanks to these assholes we are living in Pink Floyd’s The Wall. The evidence is incontrovertible, there is no need for the jury to retire. Elections have consequences.

    • Tricky Rick

      PS – I was going to edit, but accidentally voted for my own comment. My bad. Just sayin’ in the interest of full disclosure.

  • Noah Truax

    This is Rick Perry’s cronies behind all this legislation. And Gregg Abbot will fight tooth and nail with the Texas tax payers dollars. The American Constitution states the there shall be freedom of religion and freedom from religion. They are breaking the Constitution by taking away the right to be free from religion. I live in Pflugerville Texas and can not believe some of the crap these legislators are trying to do. The school district here voted to give same sex partners benefits. Rick Perry didn’t like it

    . So the school district told him that he cut education so much that he did not have a say in it. Because he wasn’t giving any money for education in Pflugereville and basically go screw yourself. So this is why they are trying to do this. I hope Wendy Davis will filibuster this bill. Let a LGBT person refuse service to a religion person. Then there will be a law suite for discrimination. What is good for the Goose is good for the Gander.

    • http://www.ragingelephantsradio.com/ Doc Greene

      You apparently don’t know Gregg Abbott. He is a liberal .

      • tasteless chap

        Is this a joke? Are you joking? I don’t hear laughter, so I’m not sure….

  • Pamela Curry

    But I have a deeply held religious belief that I should be able to eat at this restaurant that hates trans people. I have a deeply held belief that I should be able to work without discrimination. I have a deeply held belief that their belief doesn’t matter because m interpretation of scripture is correct and theirs is wrong!

  • JeffreyRO55

    Just so I can turn away Jews and blacks from my business. They bother me more than the gays. Go Texas!

    • 1bimbo

      actually, you can turn anybody away from your business for no reason..

      • JeffreyRO55

        True. Which makes it very odd that conservatives want to make sure that “religious” people can use their businesses to deny service to gay people. Why not just tell religious people to turn away anyone and everyone, “for no reason”?

    • Victor Edwards

      We Christians do no discriminate against black skin or Jews. Indeed, we see our Savior was a Jew, as were almost all His followers. These are things that are indifferent to believers. Hear the Apostle Paul say it:

      “For you are all sons of God through faith in Christ Jesus. For as many of you as were baptized into Christ have put on Christ. There is NEITHER JEW NOR GREEK [Gentile], there is neither SLAVE NOR FREE, there is neither MALE OR FEMALE; for you are all one in Christ.” Galatians 3:26-28 [caps are for emphasis, not yelling]

      That is the true teaching of Christ.

      But do not misread the Apostle. We Christians do discriminate against wicked and sinful behavior, homosexuality included. But when repented of [turned away from] and confessed to God, we will receive all. But not until.

      • JeffreyRO55

        But that’s just it: Christians mostly DON’T discriminate against sinful behavior, which makes it very odd that they want to discriminate against being gay, which is not sinful. Christians bakers, florists and photographers are happy to participate in weddings for fornicators and adulterers. Christian restaurant owners happily serve obese people, even though gluttony is a sin and they are enabling the sin of gluttony. It’s only homophobic Christians who want to harness their businesses to punish “sinners” and only gay “sinners”. Why is that?

        • Victor Edwards

          I think you are being very judgmental by assuming [and you know what THAT does, right?] that Christians don’t discriminate against fornicators and adulterers. Of course we do! The issue is that for most who come through the door don’t broadcast or boast of their sinfulness – but homosexuals are proud of their vile perversion and let you know in no uncertain terms. I know of no person who would come in who would proclaim, “I am an adulteress and I don’t care what you think!” So, likewise, if you keep your mouth shut when you are purchasing a service, you will get it. Until, of course, when you reveal that your “partner” is of the same sex. Then you are on your own.

          We Christians condemn and warn adulterers and fornicators of the judgment on such sinful behaviors. If someone is engaging in those behaviors and it becomes known, they are subject to church discipline, as in my own case as a pastor. We will warn and seek to persuade them to repent of their sin, and would do so with homosexuals in the same way. if they persist in such behaviors, they would be removed from the church membership, after a specified course of discipline.

          You are right that many people calling themselves Christians do not condemn what is going on in our society right now, but that is NOT the position of Christianity. Those sins are to be condemned in the same fashion. When people don’t do that, they are being inconsistent and not Christian in their behavior.

          Homosexuality, though, is in the Bible portrayed as a particularly degrading sin, in that it is unnatural in addition to being sexually immoral. It has a polluting effect that fornication does not, in that it is perverse, vile, unnatural and corrupting to the body, the temple of God which should be devoted to God. Be sure, adultery and fornication will be judged by Him who is judge of the world. Here is how the Bible concludes, at the end of the book of Revelation:

          “Blessed are those who do His commandments, that they may have the right to the tree of life, and may enter into the gates of the city [heaven, he means]. But outside are dogs and sorcerers and sexually immoral and murderers and idolators and whoever practices a lie.”

          • JeffreyRO55

            You obviously suffer from homophobia, and are selectively reading your bible through a homophobic lens.

            If “Christian” businesses also discriminate against customers who are fornicators and adulterers and obese, why do we never hear about it? Why does the “Christian” business owner not demonstrate his or her faithfulness to the bible by not only discriminating against gay people but also discriminating against fornicators and adulterers and the obese?

            Like all christians, even homophobic christians pick and choose what they want to believe and practice. It’s very sad, and I doubt god is fooled this whole sick, sordid approach to faith.

  • RoundRocker

    There will always be unintended consequences to bills like these; like people finding a way to use them to discriminate against the people they’re designed to protect. Any time you see a bill that touts “religious freedom” you can be pretty sure it’s designed to discriminate against someone- usually LGBT people. Let’s see how “sincerely held religious beliefs” can be used to circomvent laws.
    Your Honor, I can’t be sued for discrimination for not hiring women. My
    religion says they should stay home and look after the house and the
    children.”
    “Your Honor, I can’t be sued for discrimination because I refused to serve
    black people/Muslims/Jews/Christians. My religion says it’s OK.”
    “Your Honor, I can’t be charged for smoking pot. I’m a Rastafarian, and my religion says it’s a spiritual act.”
    “Your Honor, I can’t be charged with stoning my cheating wife. My religion says I must.”
    “Your Honor, I can’t be charged with beating or stoning my disobedient child. My religion says I must.”
    “Your Honor, I can’t be charged with child abuse for genitally mutilating my
    daughter. My religion says I must.”
    “Your Honor, I can’t be charged with killing my daughter for dating outside
    our faith. My religion says I must.”
    “Your Honor, I can’t be charged with flying a plane into the World Trade Center. My religion says I must.”

    • Lindsey Leigh Phillips

      Awhile back, i was reading a lot about the homeschooling fundies, “purity” culture, and “switching” (translation: beating) disobedient children. Essentially, they’ve already done a damn fine job removing the rights of a child to a safe home, an education, and made sexual/physical abuse a “parental right”.
      Come to think of it, that might be why they’re so rabid about the rights of the “unborn” …have to get them into this world and adopted by “deserving christian couples ” if there’s any hope of beating the little heathens into submission and molding them into acceptable commandos- fer-christ.

      • 1bimbo

        you should see a therapist about your christophobia

        • unclejeems

          Read it again, wiseguy. It’s not Christ being criticized.

          • Victor Edwards

            Really? God said, “Spare the rod, spoil the child.” Christians are being obedient to God’s commands. I am a Christian too, and I would certainly take legal action if I thought for a minute that Christian discipline [including corporal punishment] was abusive. As a professional child abuse investigator, I know the difference.

        • http://bevmar.wordpress.com/ Beverly Margolis-Kurtin

          1bimbo is the one who needs to see a therapist. He or she is praying to a non-existent being. There is NO proof that Jesus ever existed except for the NT. I find that all bigotry is based totally on ignorance. Oh how grateful I am that I’m not a Christian.

          • Victor Edwards

            Au contraire, unbeliever [your own admission]. There is much proof of God’s existence. What is wrong is that your cauterized soul has been so numbed by sin that you purposely suppress that evidence. Here is how it is put in the Bible:

            “For the wrath of God is being revealed from heaven against all ungodliness and unrighteousness of men, who SUPPRESS the truth in unrighteousness, because what may be known of God is MANIFEST IN THEM, for God has SHOWN IT TO THEM. For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are CLEARLY SEEN, being UNDERSTOOD by the things that are made, even His eternal power and Godhead, so that they [the unbelievers, you included] are without excuse.” Romans 1: 18-20

            In other words, YOU are the irrational one, awash in self-deception, suppressing the knowledge that God has given each of His human creations. If you don’t have “proof” of God’s existence, it is not God that is at fault, for He reveals Himself in a multitude of way. The fault [remember: “…without excuse”] is with you.

          • http://bevmar.wordpress.com/ Beverly Margolis-Kurtin

            I am an unbeliever? No, God I believe in. Jesus? No way! I do not accept him as god and your quoting of the apostate Paul is meaningless to me and other non-Christians. That is something you Christians will never understand. You think that your NT is accepted by all people and that is just silly.
            Even Jesus, if he ever existed, said that the most important command was that God is ONE. The Hebrew word, “echad” means God is an absolute unity, NOT a trinity.
            How is it that if Jesus was so famous that there is NO mention of him in any history? We know about Aristotle, Socrates, Plato, Euripides, etc. because they were famous and there are history upon history that talks about them and what the did. Jesus? Not a single mention.
            He was an invention of the Roman Cesars. Get used to it as more and more people are NOT joining Christian churches, especially the younger generations, they do not like to be screamed at, they know there’s no such place as hell, and the hatred an bigotry of so much of Christianity preaches.
            Please don’t have a stroke over this, sometimes it is hard to face the truth. Once again, I believe in the God of Abraham, the God of Isaac, and the God of Jacob, I do not believe in a pagan god.

          • Victor Edwards

            Your understanding of the historicity of the man Jesus Christ is abysmal. There is not enough space to outline every fallacy you have written, but I do notice that you leave out the writings of the New Testament recorded by a lot of historians. You are begging the question by disallowing the BEST history of Jesus Christ, the NT scriptures, which date from the first and second century. There are no – repeat, NO ancient texts extant from Aristotle, Socrates, Plato, etc, and we certainly do not deny their actual historical existence. But why do you not allow the same from the historian Luke, recognized by nearly all historians as a historian of the first sort? He testifies of the existence of Jesus Christ, in utter detail, in fact, and also testifies to his resurrection, a historical fact – except for skeptics [and revisionist historians] like yourself. But whether you believe in him is neither here nor there; you will still answer to Him as judge of the earth. El Roi said of Jesus Christ: “This is my beloved Son in whom I am well pleased. Hear Him!”

            At another place, Jesus said, “Before Abraham was, I am.” In other words, He was the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, nothing less. That you deny Him of whom the Torah preached is to your eternal judgment – except you repent. Then you too can have eternal life. But in order to you to receive this gift, you have to do that which you hate: receive Jesus Christ as God and Savior. See Isaiah 53 for the details. “One greater than Abraham is here.”

      • Victor Edwards

        Wow, your hatred of God and Christ are palpable.

        • http://bevmar.wordpress.com/ Beverly Margolis-Kurtin

          Vic, your idea of “Christ” is not the same for the rest of the world. The MAJORITY of the world do not believe in “Christ.”
          The word comes from the Greek Christos which in and of itself is the word for Messiah. Your Jesus could not have been the Messiah because he did not fulfill a SINGLE THING that Messiah will fulfill when he comes.
          Jesus performed some “miracles,” but that is not what the Messiah is supposed to achieve. Jesus failed.
          Are the world’s Jews back in Israel? Is there world peace? Has the Temple in Jerusalem been rebuilt (It was still standing when Jesus was crucified for the crime of sedition) No, that and many more things Messiah will do when he gets here and PLEASE don’t give me the nonsense that he will do what Messiah will do when he “comes back.” The fact is that Jesus never existed and will never return.

        • Content Generating Machine.

          Why because she doesn’t approve of child abuse?

    • http://bevmar.wordpress.com/ Beverly Margolis-Kurtin

      If you are a man, I want to kiss you. “Sincerely held beliefs” be damned; they’re just bigots who hate anyone who isn’t them. Intercourse the penguin.

      • Victor Edwards

        “…because although they KNEW GOD, they did not glorify Him as God, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools…” Romans 1: 21

    • Victor Edwards

      “Your Honor, I can’t be sued for discrimination for not hiring women.” [Classic category error in logic. Gender is NOT a behavior and thus does not have moral quality. Homosexual is nothing if not behavior and is thus subject to moral judgment.]

      “Your Honor, I can’t be charged with stoning my cheating wife. My religion says I must.”
      “Your Honor, I can’t be charged with beating or stoning my disobedient child. My religion says I must.” [Only if you were a Hebrew living 3000 years ago and willingly under the law of Moses. But our New Covenant says the following:

      “Therefore just as the church is subject to Christ, so let the wives be to their own husbands in everything. Husbands, love your wives, just as Christ also loved the church and gave Himself for her.”

      “So husbands ought to love their own wives as their own bodies; he who loves his wife loves himself…And you fathers, do not provoke your children to wrath, but bring them up in the fear and admonition of the Lord.”

      You are just profoundly ignorant of the Bible, and your understanding of it is nil and/or atrocious.

      • RoundRocker

        Nope- not ignorant. See Leviticus 20:10, Deuteronomy 21:18. Modern Christians still quote laws from Leviticus when it suits them to use them against LGBT people, so they should have no problem when the same laws are used this way.

  • SFnomad

    RepubliCONs, the Party of Hate and Discrimination.

    • 1bimbo

      your h8 meme no longer works

      • tasteless chap

        It still fits!

        • 1bimbo

          so what

          • tasteless chap

            So….it will be used as long as it fits. Wow, you’re grasp of English is very thin.

    • Victor Edwards

      Democrats, the party of homosexuality/sodomy and fetus killers. Touche’

  • OZ_in_TX

    Let’s be clear on exactly who would bear the brunt of this legislation, shall we?

    Broadly speaking, Texas non-discrimination law covers the following:
    * Race
    * Color
    * National Origin
    * Religion
    * Sex (including pregnancy, childbirth, and related medical conditions)
    * Disability
    * Age (40 and older)
    * Citizenship status
    * Genetic information

    Now, the crafters of this legislation have already gone on record saying that this RFRA will NOT change current non-discrimination laws *at the state level* in Texas. Now, look at the list above… anyone notice the group that *isn’t* listed? Yep – LGBT folks. So all this blather about ‘well we don’t wanna discriminate aagainst anyone’ is an out-and-out LIE. LGBT folks are 100% the targets here.

    • Victor Edwards

      Okay, I will play your silly game:

      * Race: A genetic trait, not a behavior, thus having no moral quality.
      * Color: [Same as above]
      * National Origin [not a behavior but a status]
      * Religion [not a behavior but a worldview]
      * Sex (including pregnancy, childbirth, and related medical conditions) [not behaviors, but trait or conditions, thus not moral]
      * Disability [not a behavior and thus not a moral issue]
      * Age (40 and older) [not a behavior and thus not moral]
      * Citizenship status [a status, not a behavior]
      * Genetic information [a natural trait and not behavior

      LGBT: [Nothing to do with genetic traits, and ONLY defined by sexual BEHAVIOR and thus subject to moral judgment. Such should not be on the list. These are perverse, vile and wicked BEHAVIORS. The others are not, and thus to discriminate on the basis of traits or status is obscene. To discriminate on the basis of immoral behavior is an earmark and necessary element for all human society. Thus murder, theft, incest, pederasty, rape, auto theft, assault and battery and all the other behaviors are subject to appropriate moral judgment and sanction. All the things meant by the LBGT moniker itself are ONLY sexual BEHAVIORS, and thus subject to moral judgment.

      • chaserblue

        Moral judgement? WHOSE? Yours? And just who are you to decide anything about anyone? I know…why don’t *you* mind your own business and leave everyone out of your sick and twisted fairy tale? Just because the “god” of a 2,000 year old scrap book belonging to a desert nomadic people says you should hate people, you’re going to believe that claptrap? Why aren’t you paying attention to the other 99.999% of the book? Would it have anything to do with the fact that you latched onto one part of the book that says it’s perfectly OK to hate a group of people and hurt them?
        You people make me sick. You find any excuse to justify and validate your evil behavior—to harm a group of people, THAT AREN’T DOING A THING TO YOU, just because you don’t like them. To destroy and take things away from them because they believe differently than you do. Your “god” isn’t a benevolent god—he’s a diseased, blind and hateful blood gargling psychopath, and the sooner you people aren’t allowed to run anything but the hate in your own blackened hearts and souls, the better.

        • Victor Edwards

          Ho humm. The usual boilerplate homosexual/sodomite boilerplate response.

          But to clarify only one point; the moral judgment is not mine but God’s. He is the creator, and to Him you will answer for your sinful rebellion against Him. I am but his messenger who has been told to warn you of the judgment to come. “Be sure,” the Bible says, “your sin shall find you out.”

          • chaserblue

            Sorry, I don’t believe in your invisible sky fairy. That’s your psychosis, not mine. And since I don’t believe he exists, his “laws” hold no sway. I believe that being a decent person is much more real than living your life by hate mongering fairy tales. You, sir, are part of the problem.

          • ccaffrey

            You really do much more damage to the faith with your hate-mongering. I am really tired of people using the Bible to justify their own judgment and prejudice. You pick and choose a bit of Leviticus here, an out-of-context statement of Paul there (as well as conveniently forgetting that HE thought the second coming of Christ was to occur in HIS lifetime) and a total fabrication of future events which Jesus was VERY clear about not trying to guess! I suggest you spend time with a red-letter edition of JUST the 4 gospels and Jesus’ responses to laws of the day. He was the hardest on synagogue leaders who were hardhearted in making the letter of the law more important than the love of God. If what you are doing and saying turns people away from God it is YOU who are in error sir. If NOTHING else, Jesus came to preach God’s love. I hear NONE of that in your judgments here and it is tremendously damaging not only to others but to you, to hold your hatreds and then look to Scripture to justify them! Please quit using Scripture as a weapon against people different than you. It is an abuse and has done tremendous damage to people’s spirits throughout human history. Jesus is VERY specific about the abusive judgment inflicted on others, by everyone, but MOST pointedly by those who claim the faith. And actually I think the only reason you state that sexuality is a behavior, and not a birth orientation, is because of your own hatred of it. I am a Christian AND a preacher’s kid and grandkid, and I find your characterization of Christians and the faith (I guess a self-proclaimed prophet) HIGHLY offensive and misrepesentative of a faith I know and love. Please stop your hate-mongering.

          • Victor Edwards

            Sorry, but it is useless to respond to inane and idiotic, not to mention ignorant, rants. NONE of what you say approaches truth.

            Oh, by the way, if you actually BELIEVE what you say, I can assure you, you are NOT a Christian.

          • ccaffrey

            Fortunately, I do NOT answer to you about the quality of my faith. And I will continue to call you out for using the words of the faith to injure and abuse people. I do NOT sense one whit of the love of Jesus in anything you have written so far. I will pray for you to unharden your heart.

  • A. Zigon

    They’re not like me so I have to hate ‘em. Dog says so( I’m dyslexic). All good Christians are here to protect the rest of us from ourselves. I just want to scream. Get out of my schools, My city government, my pants and my medicine cabinet.

    • Victor Edwards

      Well, we Christians are certainly familiar with you and your ilk. Here is how the Apostle Paul describes you:

      “There is none righteous, no not one; there is none that understands, there is none who seeks after God.

      “They have all turned aside; they have together become unprofitable; there is none who does good, no, not one.”

      Their throat is an open tomb; with their tongues they have practiced deceit; the poison of asps in under their lips; whose mouth is full of cursing and bitterness.”

      “Their feet are swift to shed blood; destruction and misery are in their ways; and the way of peace they have not known.”

      “There is no fear of God before their eyes.”

      Romans 3: 10-18

  • Georgina LeHuray

    And here i was worried that Michigan was the only state considering this type of discriminatory legislation in the lame duck. I should have know better.

  • don76550

    Excellent. These legislators will have my support. No special rights for perverts.

    • RoundRocker

      Not special rights, equal rights. You know- do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

  • 1bimbo

    progressives: ‘we cant’ protect religious liberty because the streets will run red with blood from the kosher butchers!’ do you see now why you’re losing the argument?

    • unclejeems

      No, but I can see why you chose that monicker.

  • TellMeImDreaming

    Conservatives hate big brother until they feel the need to be one….

  • http://bevmar.wordpress.com/ Beverly Margolis-Kurtin

    WTF! What does stopping discrimination have to do with “religious liberty?” I’m so sick of some “Christians” who are constantly bellyaching about their religious rights. This is supposed to be a nation of FREEDOM. If those so-called “Christians’ do not want to follow their bible–love your neighbor as yourself” then ostracize them.
    The problem with those bigots is that they hate, hate, and hate. They have not the foggiest idea that the word “abomination” in Hebrew means “This is what we do not do.” The prohibition concerning men with men was not what those bigots think.
    The EXACT WORD for abomination also applies to shell fish and other fish that do not have fins and scales. There is a good reason for not consuming those animals; they are bottom feeders and suck up all kinds of poisons. That is why the prohibition against not eating shell fish, lobsters, fish without fins and scales exists.
    Sexuality is fixed in the brain during gestation. It is NOT a choice. Who would deliberately want to be a person who is ostracized each and every day? Who would go through what a person has to go through to be reassigned as the opposite sex?
    The one question I love to ask bigots is when did they DECIDE to be straight? Oh! They didn’t make that decision, it just happened. Well, the same thing with gays and transgenders. They have to go through hell before and after their reassignment.
    I ask those who oppose non-discrimination is why in the hell don’t they bother doing what Jesus told them to do by praying in public? In Matthew 6, he told Christians that when they wanted to pray to go into their closets and pray there, yet they DEMAND the right to pray in pubic when they are forcing people who are NOT Christians (Yes, Virginia, there are other religions in the world) to listen to their praying to win a football game or such. Invariably they pray in the name of Jesus.
    The fact that they are not only doing what Jesus told them to do, but they violate the religious freedom of others. I have walked out of business meetings when some rectal terminus want to pray. Dammit, I am NOT a Christian! Christians do not pray to God, they pray to someone they think is God. They blissfully violate MY religious freedom and they don’t give a damn about others.
    When the CEO of a company for which I worked DEMANDED that all employees attend his prayer group I had to quit.
    So dear “Christians,” go screw yourselves. If you wonder why so few young people are joining churches it is because if morons such as you. Also, church members are constantly threatened with some mythical hell in which people will be punished for eternity. THERE AIN’T NO SUCH THING AS HELL, IT IS TOTALLY MADE UP TO SCARE PEOPLE INTO BECOMING CHRISTIANS. It is, essentially, a “fire escape” religion based on something that does not exist.
    What kind of a god would punish people for eternity? I’d certainly never want a sadist like that. What kind of a god do they worship?
    I’m so happy that I am not a Christian!

    • Victor Edwards

      You would be funny if you were not so pathetic. On one hand you despise Christianity, then turn and on the other hand try to instruct Christians in what the Bible means! That kind of incoherence is exactly the evidence of your debased mind. None of what you said is true about the Bible. You have been to a homosexual “workshop” and learned this nonsense from them, I am sure, because I debate with homosexuals on a daily basis and the commit the same logic error every time.

      The other trait/behavior that I see in the homosexual/atheist crowd [they are usually combined] is the foul mouth, which you so openly display here. You are full of hate for anything that denies your lusts. When you say, “I’m so happy I am not a Christian!” you are being honest. You hate Christ and all He stands for. And it comes forth from your mouth, which repeats only what your heart/mind thinks. We can spot you in a crowd by your foul and vile language.

      And if you think that there is no hell where sin is punished forever, you are in for a big surprise. But you need not worry, there is no God, right?

      Please, in the future please do not offer your “interpretation” of the Bible. You are profoundly ignorant of any of it and are making a fool out of yourself in public.

      • Chip70

        I thought Beverly did a great job. I enjoyed read the comment. I found yours to be boring, and didn’t finisgh most of it… It rambles in the middle, and ended flat.

  • Vixpix1

    There are tens of millions of Americans who define their religious rights as the right to enforce their beliefs on others.

  • Jessica Hightower

    Does that mean I can own slaves in accordance with the bible?

    • Victor Edwards

      First you need to discover how slaves in ancient times differs from slavery today. And also you need to discover that the Bible records but never approves of slavery, but instead orders the owners of slaves to treat their slave well and to pay them their fair wage. Indeed, though some slavery was still in effect in society [but again, never approved by God’s commandments] in the New Testament era, Paul instructs those who have an opportunity to be freed to use it and not to be any man’s slave. In the context of the whole Bible, slavery is never endorsed, but tolerated just as divorce was. But from the first God had not intended either of those. They are the consequences of sinful man. But Christ and Christianity is for both slave and master. See the little biblical letter to Philemon to see how Christianity takes slave and master and converts them into brothers in Christ.

  • cowboy 2012

    Everytime I think Texas is moving into the 21st century, they pull something really stupid. They have imposed a type of poll tax on the voters. Now they want to outlaw gay marriage and LBGT rights. Its strange that a bible belt state like Texas kills the most people for capital crimes. I guess theirs is a vengeful god without mercy.

  • Sonia Roberts

    Love the “catch all phrase” that the extremist base of the Conservative Christians of the GOP have come up with in order to push their “sincerely held religious beliefs” political mantra. It has helped them to move their agenda along. Its hard for me to apply family values to them as a group. Not when I have seen what they are willing to do to people.

  • ORAXX

    These measures only make sense in a theocracy, never in a secular society.

  • Jay

    This is funny coming from Jason Villalba, a clean shaven man with short hair.

  • tasteless chap

    It’ll only be a matter of time before such legislation will be applied to public workers! And I’m SURE the Asshole Abbot will gladly defend them!

  • Toby Belch

    The so-called Texas Miracle is going to stall over bigoted nonsense such as this. Most of the Fortune 500 have already made substantial commitments to their employees vis-a-vis sexual orientation and gender identity, and they already look at Texas with distaste, to say the least. Doubling down on Texas hostility to gays is like hanging out a sign that says GO AWAY.

    • 1bimbo

      ok so it stalls.. so live with it

  • fatibel

    I encourage all Christians to heed the words of Christ on the subject of homosexuals and homosexuality, ” ..crickets… ” That’s right. There’s no record that he said a damn thing about them. And either he brought a new covenant, a new relationship with God, or he didn’t. Hate is not a Christian virtue.

    • 1bimbo

      you’re not the boss of christians

      • Chip70

        The Pope even doesn’t buy this homophobia crap anymore.

      • fatibel

        Thus the lack of an order, dictum or decree.
        It was simple encouragement to point out the lack of anything that Jesus – you know, the founder of our faith – said on the subject of homosexuality.

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  • Chip70

    Oh… That horrible woman, Donna Cambell.

  • David Jones

    Would this allow doctors to refuse treatment based on their moral conscience? Perhaps restaurants could refuse to serve LGBT patrons? Where would the line be drawn between religous liberty and discrimination?

  • DanielKnoll

    The big new buzzword that the far-right, fundamentalist thinkers have added to their arsenal, is the term “religious liberty”, meaning that, if someone is in conflict wither THEIR own personal religious views, they then have the right to act counter to the civil and legal laws, and expect to have their religious rights held in higher value than the laws. Sorry.