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In this episode of Observer Radio, staff writers Patrick Michels and Emily DePrang repeatedly disrupt and rudely talk over each other in a conversation about Sen. Dan Patrick and Lt. Gov. David Dewhurst's public debate earlier this week.

Michels sticks around to discuss his latest Observer story, "Childhood Lost," about a mother who says her children were taken away by her parents with a little help from the state of Texas.

Our guest for this episode is immigration attorney Carlos Spector who is currently handling political asylum cases for 61 refugees, many of whom are fleeing political turmoil in Honduras.

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