Comments on: Did CPS Overstep the Law at the FLDS Ranch? http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=929 Sun, 22 Nov 2009 05:01:38 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: dragonfly http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=929#comment-81767 dragonfly Fri, 01 Aug 2008 09:52:52 +0000 http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=929#comment-81767 Last April, my heart went out to the Women and Children I considered victim's of CPS. I strongly believe we all have the right to practice religious freedom. That is what our Country is founded on, right? But WHERE does one draw the line between religion and child abuse? What if the children ARE NOT being protected by the adults, esp. the Mothers? What if the allegations of 10 year olds marrying men in their 60's and up is common practice? What if in the quest for the perfect race (i.e. Hitler), select families have been inbred so long that terrible deformaties and adnormalcies become common? http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635182923,00.html What if babies lives are cut short due to "mercy killings" via sufficaiton when born deformed? What if, we who believe in and support freedom of religion are the ones paying for the "extra" wives - (sister wives AND their many children)? What if these people believe God is pleased with their actions? Sadly, religion can used as a cover up. Innocent children pay the price everyday. I believe WE are their voice. I believe it is our duty to protect those who can not protect themselves. Last April, my heart went out to the Women and Children I considered victim’s of CPS.

I strongly believe we all have the right to practice
religious freedom. That is what our Country is founded on, right?

But WHERE does one draw the line between religion and child abuse?

What if the children ARE NOT being protected by the adults, esp. the Mothers?

What if the allegations of 10 year olds marrying men in their 60’s and up is common practice?

What if in the quest for the perfect race (i.e. Hitler), select families have been inbred so long that terrible deformaties and adnormalcies become common?

http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635182923,00.html

What if babies lives are cut short due to “mercy killings” via sufficaiton when born deformed?

What if, we who believe in and support freedom of religion are the ones paying for the “extra” wives - (sister wives AND their many children)?

What if these people believe God is pleased with their actions?

Sadly, religion can used as a cover up. Innocent children pay the price everyday.

I believe WE are their voice. I believe it is our duty to protect those who can not protect themselves.

]]> By: Dale Wilson http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=929#comment-77829 Dale Wilson Mon, 02 Jun 2008 19:07:27 +0000 http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=929#comment-77829 Texas authorities are getting better. At least they didn’t let the militias burn the women and children as they did during Janet Reno’s tour in office. Where are the rights by law in this country. Maybe we should put every child associated with any High School in a foster home if any teen age female student gets pregnant. You must admit, this would seem logical in Texas. Texas authorities are getting better. At least they didn’t let the militias burn the women and children as they did during Janet Reno’s tour in office. Where are the rights by law in this country. Maybe we should put every child associated with any High School in a foster home if any teen age female student gets pregnant.
You must admit, this would seem logical in Texas.

]]> By: Richard http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=929#comment-77151 Richard Sun, 25 May 2008 10:06:41 +0000 http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=929#comment-77151 Well, TO, you have stayed my hand. My plan was to rip you for saying that CPS had the right to perpetrate the seizure of these children in the manner CPS executed it. If the law were in fact to be intended in the way you characterized, I would hasten to change it, or move. (It is, after all, the beginning of tyranny to have the power to tear families apart at will and answer questions later.) I am impressed that you posted the corrections from the appeals court on your own article page. Well, TO, you have stayed my hand. My plan was to rip you for saying that CPS had the right to perpetrate the seizure of these children in the manner CPS executed it. If the law were in fact to be intended in the way you characterized, I would hasten to change it, or move. (It is, after all, the beginning of tyranny to have the power to tear families apart at will and answer questions later.) I am impressed that you posted the corrections from the appeals court on your own article page.

]]> By: Court Says CPS Acted Rashly | Texas Observer Blog http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=929#comment-76872 Court Says CPS Acted Rashly | Texas Observer Blog Thu, 22 May 2008 20:43:12 +0000 http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=929#comment-76872 [...] The appeals court ruled today that Judge Walther’s court “abused its discretion” in allowing CPS to keep custody of the kids. The appeals court commanded CPS to return the children of the 38 FLDS mothers who filed the appeal. (You can read past coverage here) [...] […] The appeals court ruled today that Judge Walther’s court “abused its discretion” in allowing CPS to keep custody of the kids. The appeals court commanded CPS to return the children of the 38 FLDS mothers who filed the appeal. (You can read past coverage here) […]

]]> By: Appeals Court Rules for Polygamist Mothers | Texas Observer Blog http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=929#comment-76842 Appeals Court Rules for Polygamist Mothers | Texas Observer Blog Thu, 22 May 2008 18:15:25 +0000 http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=929#comment-76842 [...] have detailed some of the legal problems with Child Protective Services’ seizure of the sect’s children. The AP brief about the [...] […] have detailed some of the legal problems with Child Protective Services’ seizure of the sect’s children. The AP brief about the […]

]]> By: shocked and awewed http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=929#comment-76214 shocked and awewed Thu, 15 May 2008 22:03:35 +0000 http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=929#comment-76214 when you put these women next to all the overweight rednecks in texas, they are going to look a lot younger than they are because they look fit and thin from the pictures i've seen. I want to see proof that these allegations are true rather than just believe the government. when you put these women next to all the overweight rednecks in texas, they are going to look a lot younger than they are because they look fit and thin from the pictures i’ve seen. I want to see proof that these allegations are true rather than just believe the government.

]]> By: Thakful http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=929#comment-76202 Thakful Thu, 15 May 2008 17:12:56 +0000 http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=929#comment-76202 There is PROOF that the underage girls ARE pregnant! Thank goodness the CPS did step in! The comments left here sound as if your male. Have you ever been a woman having children? Let alone a little girl having children. If something goes wrong, do you think they are getting the adequate medical attention? I don't care if it's not within the law to seek answers about their lifestyles, I think it's within good people's abilities to reach out to some children who should have a right not be used, abused and brainwashed by these "Nuclear Baby" believers. Proof? Did anyone need proof that David Koresh wasn't Christ? There is PROOF that the underage girls ARE pregnant! Thank goodness the CPS did step in! The comments left here sound as if your male. Have you ever been a woman having children? Let alone a little girl having children. If something goes wrong, do you think they are getting the adequate medical attention? I don’t care if it’s not within the law to seek answers about their lifestyles, I think it’s within good people’s abilities to reach out to some children who should have a right not be used, abused and brainwashed by these “Nuclear Baby” believers. Proof? Did anyone need proof that David Koresh wasn’t Christ?

]]> By: shocked and awewed http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=929#comment-76090 shocked and awewed Tue, 13 May 2008 20:02:01 +0000 http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=929#comment-76090 Where is the proof of the ages of these pregnant teenage girls? Where is the proof that they were forced to have sex with an older man? The texas teen pregnancy rate is similar to the alleged pregnancy rate at this compound. Does CPS investigate all teen pregnancy cases, take DNA samples, and remove the teens from their hames until things are sorted out? When you give something like the CPS power like this over another person or group, they are invariably going to use it. Where is the proof of the ages of these pregnant teenage girls? Where is the proof that they were forced to have sex with an older man? The texas teen pregnancy rate is similar to the alleged pregnancy rate at this compound. Does CPS investigate all teen pregnancy cases, take DNA samples, and remove the teens from their hames until things are sorted out? When you give something like the CPS power like this over another person or group, they are invariably going to use it.

]]> By: Doran Williams http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=929#comment-75875 Doran Williams Sat, 10 May 2008 16:21:23 +0000 http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=929#comment-75875 Dave, TO Blog is only a month or so late in taking notice of the debalce at Eldorado. Thanks for doing it, even at such a late date. The only abuse which was actually "proven" in court, or even alleged with some specificity, was sexual abuse of young women. There was no credible allegation, and no proof at all, of any sort of abuse of boys, or of any other kind of abuse of women. Seems to me that TO needn't be so reticent about condemning the removal of over 400 children from a small community, when the "proven" allegations were about approximately 20 young women. In addition, CPS claimed that it was necessary to remove the young men, because of the religious beliefs of their parents. Doesn't this ham-handed intrusion of the State into religious beliefs bother the leaders of the Leading Liberal publication in Texas??? Dave, TO Blog is only a month or so late in taking notice of the debalce at Eldorado. Thanks for doing it, even at such a late date.

The only abuse which was actually “proven” in court, or even alleged with some specificity, was sexual abuse of young women. There was no credible allegation, and no proof at all, of any sort of abuse of boys, or of any other kind of abuse of women. Seems to me that TO needn’t be so reticent about condemning the removal of over 400 children from a small community, when the “proven” allegations were about approximately 20 young women.

In addition, CPS claimed that it was necessary to remove the young men, because of the religious beliefs of their parents. Doesn’t this ham-handed intrusion of the State into religious beliefs bother the leaders of the Leading Liberal publication in Texas???

]]> By: Mister Doubleu http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=929#comment-75616 Mister Doubleu Wed, 07 May 2008 09:38:56 +0000 http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=929#comment-75616 As a former CPS investigator I am not surprised. CPS is the only organization that can rip families apart based on assumptions. I left the agency because I got tired of watching children and parents being victimized by CPS. Most of the time the allegations involve angry, feuding neighbors or ex spouses trying to gain custody of the kids. As a former CPS investigator I am not surprised. CPS is the only organization that can rip families apart based on assumptions. I left the agency because I got tired of watching children and parents being victimized by CPS. Most of the time the allegations involve angry, feuding neighbors or ex spouses trying to gain custody of the kids.

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