Comments on: Clinton Tries to Delay County Conventions http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=868 Sat, 21 Nov 2009 20:15:43 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.3.2 By: Metanomi :: Hillary is trying to rig the vote :: March :: 2008 http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=868#comment-73247 Metanomi :: Hillary is trying to rig the vote :: March :: 2008 Sun, 30 Mar 2008 17:08:26 +0000 http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=868#comment-73247 [...] The Clinton camp has recently been fighting to challenge the Texas caucuses behind the scenes, while hoping to publicly bring the validity of caucus delegates into question again (see past Nevada caucus legal threat by Clinton camp and camp supporters and her many statements against the caucus process).  As usual, they say one thing publicly, that the campaign itself will not be challenging Texas caucuses (this pledge came after some took the Clinton camp to task over the legal posturing they used to try to discredit the Texas process in the first place: from the Burnt Orange Report), but do another privately, train volunteers through campaign lawyers to contest the caucusing process and request a "double-checking" by their camp of those caucusing. [...] […] The Clinton camp has recently been fighting to challenge the Texas caucuses behind the scenes, while hoping to publicly bring the validity of caucus delegates into question again (see past Nevada caucus legal threat by Clinton camp and camp supporters and her many statements against the caucus process).  As usual, they say one thing publicly, that the campaign itself will not be challenging Texas caucuses (this pledge came after some took the Clinton camp to task over the legal posturing they used to try to discredit the Texas process in the first place: from the Burnt Orange Report), but do another privately, train volunteers through campaign lawyers to contest the caucusing process and request a "double-checking" by their camp of those caucusing. […]

]]> By: Clinton Campaign: It’s All Good | Texas Observer Blog http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=868#comment-73000 Clinton Campaign: It’s All Good | Texas Observer Blog Wed, 26 Mar 2008 23:19:06 +0000 http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=868#comment-73000 [...] was just last week that the Clinton campaign asked party officials to postpone the county conventions — the second in the three-tiered caucus [...] […] was just last week that the Clinton campaign asked party officials to postpone the county conventions — the second in the three-tiered caucus […]

]]> By: Katie http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=868#comment-72508 Katie Tue, 18 Mar 2008 03:37:36 +0000 http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=868#comment-72508 What I saw at my caucus were Clinton supporters on an apparent evidence gathering expedition. They were looking for anything to complain about, not to make sure the process was fair and accurate but so they could do just what Clinton is doing now - tarnishing our process and casting a suspicious light on results that don't favor her. Because of that, I'm very skeptical of all these reports of wrongdoings by Obama supporters. If you look for something long and hard enough, you're bound to find it, even when it's not there. What I saw at my caucus were Clinton supporters on an apparent evidence gathering expedition. They were looking for anything to complain about, not to make sure the process was fair and accurate but so they could do just what Clinton is doing now - tarnishing our process and casting a suspicious light on results that don’t favor her. Because of that, I’m very skeptical of all these reports of wrongdoings by Obama supporters. If you look for something long and hard enough, you’re bound to find it, even when it’s not there.

]]> By: Felicia Aboagye http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=868#comment-72497 Felicia Aboagye Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:30:11 +0000 http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=868#comment-72497 It really saddens me that the Clinton camp is acting the way they are. If they want a recount in Texas then we need to re-do Michigan and Florida. I believe the real issue at hand is that they never expected so many people to turn out for the Texas Caucus, especially in support of Obama. According to records, only 6 people showed up in our precinct in the 2004 Caucus and this year we had 189 voters turnout. Most people there had no idea that they could even participate in the caucus. Go figure. I am a supporter of Obama. Not because he's a black man, but because he's the right candidate,with the right credentials, at the right time, for a people who want a "right" America. If not for Obama, I would be voting for Clinton just because she is a Democrat. No other reason.It feeld good to have a choice!!! But for the first time in 21 years since I've had the right to vote, I've actually gotten involved in the process. It makes me proud to see people get out and exercise their right to vote, knowing that they have a choice and that their voice does matter. No matter what the outcome, I will support Obama to the end. In my life time, I'm glad to have met someone who has had such a profound and positive effect on the American people. To stand in my precinct and see people, young and old, White, Black, Hispanic, Asian, Middle-Eastern, etc. supporting Obama overwhelmed me. This is what America is supposed to look like. I'm tired of theoretic rhetoric. Let's not talk about it. Let's be about it. It really saddens me that the Clinton camp is acting the way they are. If they want a recount in Texas then we need to re-do Michigan and Florida. I believe the real issue at hand is that they never expected so many people to turn out for the Texas Caucus, especially in support of Obama. According to records, only 6 people showed up in our precinct in the 2004 Caucus and this year we had 189 voters turnout. Most people there had no idea that they could even participate in the caucus. Go figure. I am a supporter of Obama. Not because he’s a black man, but because he’s the right candidate,with the right credentials, at the right time, for a people who want a “right” America. If not for Obama, I would be voting for Clinton just because she is a Democrat. No other reason.It feeld good to have a choice!!! But for the first time in 21 years since I’ve had the right to vote, I’ve actually gotten involved in the process. It makes me proud to see people get out and exercise their right to vote, knowing that they have a choice and that their voice does matter. No matter what the outcome, I will support Obama to the end. In my life time, I’m glad to have met someone who has had such a profound and positive effect on the American people. To stand in my precinct and see people, young and old, White, Black, Hispanic, Asian, Middle-Eastern, etc. supporting Obama overwhelmed me. This is what America is supposed to look like. I’m tired of theoretic rhetoric. Let’s not talk about it. Let’s be about it.

]]> By: hipelayne http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=868#comment-72496 hipelayne Tue, 18 Mar 2008 00:06:36 +0000 http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=868#comment-72496 Why are the BO supporters getting so uptight? Could it be that they're afraid of getting caught redhanded? Seems to me they are! How many other caucuses had the same problems? Why are the BO supporters getting so uptight? Could it be that they’re afraid of getting caught redhanded? Seems to me they are! How many other caucuses had the same problems?

]]> By: GB http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=868#comment-72491 GB Mon, 17 Mar 2008 23:25:22 +0000 http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=868#comment-72491 My Texas precinct caucus was a train wreck, a sham, and more. We can and must do better than this in our political process...out future depends on it. Turn on the bright lights, verify the rolls, and let the chips fall where they may. After my caucus experience, I applaud the Clinton Campaign's efforts to sort this mess out. For the good of the nation, it needs to be done. My Texas precinct caucus was a train wreck, a sham, and more. We can and must do better than this in our political process…out future depends on it. Turn on the bright lights, verify the rolls, and let the chips fall where they may. After my caucus experience, I applaud the Clinton Campaign’s efforts to sort this mess out. For the good of the nation, it needs to be done.

]]> By: Democratic Party Refuses Clinton Request | Texas Observer Blog http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=868#comment-72488 Democratic Party Refuses Clinton Request | Texas Observer Blog Mon, 17 Mar 2008 22:49:42 +0000 http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=868#comment-72488 [...] « Clinton Tries to Delay County Conventions [...] […] « Clinton Tries to Delay County Conventions […]

]]> By: BayAreaVoter http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=868#comment-72092 BayAreaVoter Mon, 17 Mar 2008 08:32:26 +0000 http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=868#comment-72092 I heard complaints all day on March 4 how Obama supporters were distributing sign in sheets early and later in the evening how confusing the caucuses were and how late they ran. If Obama is sure he won the caucuses why worry about having the votes verified? I heard complaints all day on March 4 how Obama supporters were distributing sign in sheets early and later in the evening how confusing the caucuses were and how late they ran.

If Obama is sure he won the caucuses why worry about having the votes verified?

]]> By: DaCoach http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=868#comment-72063 DaCoach Sun, 16 Mar 2008 23:53:03 +0000 http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=868#comment-72063 Richard...Yes I do consider it disenfranchisement. As anyone can tell you, anything that isn't a straight up vote by machine is full of confusion and missteps. I don't necessarily agree that the caucus on top of the primary vote was a good idea. However, that was the decision made by the SDP and we worked with what we were given. Was it a perfect election. No. However, it did represent the intent of the party. The fact that more Obama people attended the caucus than Clinton people seems obvious. I'm also confidant that there were mistakes made by both Obama and Clinton people. But the point is, were the results representative of the intent of the party to allow delegate selection based upon caucus attendance. Would you suggest that we negate all elections not 100% according to Roberts Rules? In that case, we might as well stop having any voting. In my precinct every attendee was verified by both a Clinton and Obama supporter. People with questionable verification were marked as provisional. We don't have to verify one million signatures. All we have to do is verify that the 9 provisional voters are actually on the voter roll which wasn't available to us that night. But make no mistake about it. This is a underhanded attempt by the Clinton campaign to disenfranchise the caucus voters in Texas. It seems they believe a non sanctioned vote in two states is valid but a sanctioned vote with acceptable flaws isn't. Richard…Yes I do consider it disenfranchisement. As anyone can tell you, anything that isn’t a straight up vote by machine is full of confusion and missteps. I don’t necessarily agree that the caucus on top of the primary vote was a good idea. However, that was the decision made by the SDP and we worked with what we were given.

Was it a perfect election. No. However, it did represent the intent of the party. The fact that more Obama people attended the caucus than Clinton people seems obvious. I’m also confidant that there were mistakes made by both Obama and Clinton people.

But the point is, were the results representative of the intent of the party to allow delegate selection based upon caucus attendance. Would you suggest that we negate all elections not 100% according to Roberts Rules? In that case, we might as well stop having any voting.

In my precinct every attendee was verified by both a Clinton and Obama supporter. People with questionable verification were marked as provisional. We don’t have to verify one million signatures. All we have to do is verify that the 9 provisional voters are actually on the voter roll which wasn’t available to us that night.

But make no mistake about it. This is a underhanded attempt by the Clinton campaign to disenfranchise the caucus voters in Texas. It seems they believe a non sanctioned vote in two states is valid but a sanctioned vote with acceptable flaws isn’t.

]]> By: andy http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=868#comment-72052 andy Sun, 16 Mar 2008 20:50:22 +0000 http://www.texasobserver.org/blog/?p=868#comment-72052 Clinton won the primary 51% to Obama 47% and she beat him by 100,000 votes. But when the caucuses ended Obama won? If you take the percentage the caucuses say he "won" by and applied to the day time vote when most of the people voted then he would have won the primary and beat Hillary by 400,000 votes. That did not happen when the vote was cast by the voters in regulated standard voting proceedure. But in the highly questionable, unregulated, un representative chaos of the caucuses that night, he wins and then is awarded most of the delegates and declared the winner of Texas??? How can the safeguarded vote of the vast majority of the people in the daytime be overturned and reversed by a few people in an unregulated group of meetings? Looks like material for a law suit to me. It certainly is NOT the will of the people for Obama to get the Texas win and the delegates that go with it. Clinton won the primary 51% to Obama 47% and she beat him by 100,000 votes. But when the caucuses ended Obama won?

If you take the percentage the caucuses say he “won” by and applied to the day time vote when most of the people voted then he would have won the primary and beat Hillary by 400,000 votes.

That did not happen when the vote was cast by the voters in regulated standard voting proceedure.

But in the highly questionable, unregulated, un representative chaos of the caucuses that night, he wins and then is awarded most of the delegates and declared the winner of Texas???

How can the safeguarded vote of the vast majority of the people in the daytime be overturned and reversed by a few people in an unregulated group of meetings? Looks like material for a law suit to me.

It certainly is NOT the will of the people for Obama to get the Texas win and the delegates that go with it.

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